Cipher Girl

Human language can be very ambigious, unlike a language such as mathematics, computer code, or blueprints. But a lot of people don't realize how ambigious a verbal language can really be. I'm so used to math, computer code, and specified software requirements that I know I sometimes irritate people who aren't so picky about their language.

I guess when a lot of people talk about their god, they assume everybody thinks exactly like them. In a way it's very sad. I enjoy discussing things with a group of people vith a very diverse set of viewpoints. It seems that religion forces a sort of conformity of thought on its followers. They are largely unaware of it and tend to assume that others also conform to the same viewpoint.

My 2 cents for the day.

malookiemaloo

Not to be flippant in return but try the Bible, New Testament the first four books called Matthew, Mark Luke and John. It's a dawdle.


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Darkblade

Unfortunately, this doesn't help us. Perhaps you should give your concise definition of Jesus, then present evidence that he (in accordance with your evidence) exists, along with God (which you should also define concisely).

malookiemaloo

If you are trying to find God (or Jesus) , how can you define Him first? Surely that's putting the cart before the horse.

God is who He is. No definitions necessary!!


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Darkblade

How can I "find" a thing (much less prove if it exists in the first place) if it is completely undefined??? What would I look for (and why would I care to look for it if it is undefined)? (Careful; any real response other than "randomly search" will auto-elicit the response that you are using a definition without giving it to me (and randomly searching is obviously a waste of time).)

malookiemaloo

Sorry you've lost me here.

How can you define something if you have never encountered it?

What did Moses understand of God at the burning bush? Nothing but but he found Him.


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Mageth

How can you define something if you have never encountered it?

Let me put it this way. I want you to find something, a particular something, for me somewhere around Glasgow. Now, I'm not going to tell you what it is, not going to define it, not tell you how big or small it is, what color it is, what it's made of, whether it's living or not, or even give a hint about where it is but that it's "somewhere around Glasgow, Scotland." And you have to get it right the first time; no trial and error.

How successful will you be at finding this "something" the first time?

Cipher Girl

Hi smalltown

Sorry I overlooked your question:
I know this sounds like preaching but you did ask the question, I am not sure what you are asking with "Why did the description of good and evil acts change from one version of god to another version of god? Are they the same god? ", if you could re-word it , it might help me understand where you are coming form, sorry...

Well it seems that some christians say that the actions taken in the name of god in the OT are good and rightous even though those actions consist of genicide, rape, slavery, murder, etc. When I ask if those actions are considered moral in today's moral climate, the response is usually "No." Why then are those same actions considered moral in the OT and immoral today? Has god somehow become more moral? Or is god a creation of humans, and as people have become more moral, their god has become more moral?

Darkblade

Unfortunately, this argument is an opposite of what you were previously arguing. You originally said that I should search for your god, and then refused to define him. When I called you on that, you gave the above response, which is your god “finding” Moses. If this is your best suggestion, you have failed. If your god is real, he can then “find” and clearly express himself (ala repeatable, testable miracles (like he did for Moses)) me. Unless you claim that your god doesn’t care as much about me as he did about Moses.

Godot

I found him! He was wedged in between the cushions of the couch with some loose change.