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Old 03-17-2003, 01:55 AM   #1
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Is Islam a religion of peace? I might as well ask if Christianity a religion of peace, with their Bible filled with genocide and hell, and with their thousand-year-long history of crusades and inquisition.

I believe that the trouble with Islam is that it is several hundred years younger than Christianity. Look what Christians were doing when their religion was as old as Islam is today. Let's see how Islam will look five hundred years from now...


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Old 03-17-2003, 11:14 AM   #2
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I hope Islam will improve.
  • We have no way of knowing what Islam will be like in 500 years time.
  • We have no way of knowing if Islam will exist in 500 years time.
  • We have no way of knowing if humanity will exist in 500 years time.

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Is Islam a religion of peace? I might as well ask if Christianity a religion of peace, with their Bible filled with genocide and hell, and with their thousand-year-long history of crusades and inquisition.
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Because a religion has no existence, it does not can effects at all. There are only acting individuals, who are responsible for their actions because of the law of causality. No one must follow phantoms or claims sketched by 'religious' authorities.

There are ever two aspects relating to 'religions'. Some creatures are unaware about the laws of ethic and the social community guides these creatures to respect the rights of other creatures. This may be helpful for some individuals or not, in any case of unethical acting, the social community reacts not with peace but with social answers to that individual. These answers are equal to each social community also without any religion based laws and peace is a target of any social community, but not to the individual, who rejects the social laws.

If one is aware of his unethical actions, he do not need social guiding anymore and is able to see the second aspect of religious teaching, which is the order of spirituality. Both aspects are taught in most religions. From this it is recognizable, that not any specific religion is more violent then others, but only the unawareness of actions against the laws of ethic of the individual.

In this world never can be peace, because the individuals in this world have a deficiency of perfection.

Peace is only a state of the consciousness of an individual. An individual, who discriminates religions in toto into peaceful religions and not peaceful religions is creating a polarity, which is an other form of war, and in no means an action to create peace.

Islam is taken from that, what Muhammad has spoken. What is written in the Quran contains as well this discord social guiding for the crowd and the very intimate teaching of the spiritual laws as the second aspect. This is identical to the religions of Judaism, Buddhism and Christianity.

Each one is free, to run on the path of social guiding, which never can be peaceful, or he can run on the path of his very own inner consciousness to recognize spiritual laws. The difference is only the own consciousness of the runner and indeed each one, who acts without any religious base, is free to select his path, and his actions in the social area are of the same discord as those from religious based actions, while his consciousness about that, what guides him to an ethic claim ('Peace') must also be found and recognized as a non fictional truth.

One can write great poems with a pencil or can prick with it into an eye of an other man. Not the pencil, not the religion, is responsible for causal actions, it is ever the very individual, who is responsible for discord. Individuals exist. Religions not. Religions are phantoms as nations or any label of believing. It is ever the very own action of the individual, which is relevant, never a religion.

If this would not be true, then there would be actions possible, which are caused by religions without individuals. But I don't know, how this should happen on a reasonable base.

Each idea is a creation of the mind and has no reality, it is a phantom only. This hold for all religions, agnostic and skeptic ideas and also for the idea of Islam. There are only a few true realities beside unreal ideas to find. Without these realities there is no absolute reference to discriminate the ethical from the unethical, and all actions from this are of no ethical value.

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Islam will most likely exist in 500 years, but hopefully their societies will be much more secular.

Today many Muslims live under military states (Pakistan, Lybia, Iraq, Iran), fundamentalist governments (former Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran), and serverly hate America (note that Osama is the number one name for babies in Kuwait). No, Islam is not a peaceful religion, although I would not stereotype all Muslims as being violent, but many are.

It is dangerous to ignore the dark side of Islam.
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Their entire problem is that any kind of reinterpretation of scriptures is forbidden under pain of death.
Also, they believe Muhammad is the perfect man who is to be emulated in every respect. That is why Bin Laden is a pious Muslim.
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Their entire problem is that any kind of reinterpretation of scriptures is forbidden under pain of death.
Also, they believe Muhammad is the perfect man who is to be emulated in every respect. That is why Bin Laden is a pious Muslim.
Prophet Muhammad and Bin Laden have absolutely nothing in common. However, you (hinduwomen) on the other hand have alot in common with Mr. Bin laden in terms of Philosophy and Ideology.
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