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smarko · 11-25-2002, 01:48 PM

I'd like to show you first chapter of my forthcoming book I'm writing. One of things, I'm explaining in it, is, that so called I (me) is just a fuzzy concept. There is no one "I", there's lots of them. More than seconds in your life. And what about consciousness? I will explain it in a ways, you�ve never heard before.

It's ment for all audiencies, so it�s easy to read. Weak minded, beware, this will change everything..

<a href="http://hoito.org/writings-exist.html" target="_blank">http://hoito.org/writings-exist.html</a>

And while you are there, why don't you see what else there might be for you at my website.

Answerer · 11-25-2002, 05:28 PM

Hey writer, have you come here to promote your book?

smarko · 11-26-2002, 01:14 AM

No. I just thought, that this could be a place, where is people, who might be interested about what I've wrote.

Ultimate Atheist · 11-26-2002, 10:45 AM

I read that whole thing. I only have one question. What the smeg are you going on about? What's with all this I2 and I3 stuff? You said you were going to make it simple so that anyone could understand yet I found it to be the most difficult thing I've ever had to read. It was complete nonsense.

What are you smoking?

Mughal · 11-26-2002, 11:27 AM

Dear Atheist,

I too have visited the book site and found it difficult to make any head or tail of it.

I would however say that this guy is far too clever than me.

I too have tried to make sense of things if anyone is interested one can visit the site on

<a href="http://www.religionandsecularism.gq.nu" target="_blank">http://www.religionandsecularism.gq.nu</a>

All the best

Keith Russell · 11-27-2002, 07:15 AM

Greetings:

Saying "I think I do think..." is redundant.

In saying 'I think', it is understood that you must be first aware that you think, in order for you to say, 'I think'.

I don't believe that it is therefore necessary that this be stated twice...

To then continue by asking the question "so do I exist?", is to exhibit a confusion about what the concept 'exist' is.

For an entity to do anything, such as thinking, it must first be--it must first exist.

If you think, then you also exist, and asking that question is, also, unecessary.

Keith.

[ November 27, 2002: Message edited by: Keith Russell ]</p>

Theli · 11-27-2002, 07:51 AM

"I think I do think..."
Does anyone else than me see a paradox here?

smarko · 11-27-2002, 09:36 AM

Ok. Thank you for your comments.

Keith Russell · 11-27-2002, 12:06 PM

Greetings:

Theli, I called it a redundancy.

What part do you see as paradoxical?

Keith.

John Page · 11-30-2002, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Theli:
<strong>"I think I do think..."
Does anyone else than me see a paradox here?

</strong>

Tautology. "Ultimately from Greek aia 'the repeating of what has been said'" (Fowlers)

Cheers, John

11-25-2002, 01:48 PM	#1
smarko New Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 3	I think I do think, so do I exist? I'd like to show you first chapter of my forthcoming book I'm writing. One of things, I'm explaining in it, is, that so called I (me) is just a fuzzy concept. There is no one "I", there's lots of them. More than seconds in your life. And what about consciousness? I will explain it in a ways, you�ve never heard before. It's ment for all audiencies, so it�s easy to read. Weak minded, beware, this will change everything.. <a href="http://hoito.org/writings-exist.html" target="_blank">http://hoito.org/writings-exist.html</a> And while you are there, why don't you see what else there might be for you at my website.

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11-25-2002, 05:28 PM	#2
Answerer Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,956	Hey writer, have you come here to promote your book?

11-26-2002, 01:14 AM	#3
smarko New Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 3	No. I just thought, that this could be a place, where is people, who might be interested about what I've wrote.

11-26-2002, 10:45 AM	#4
Ultimate Atheist Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Here Posts: 980	I read that whole thing. I only have one question. What the smeg are you going on about? What's with all this I2 and I3 stuff? You said you were going to make it simple so that anyone could understand yet I found it to be the most difficult thing I've ever had to read. It was complete nonsense. What are you smoking?

11-26-2002, 11:27 AM	#5
Mughal Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Islamabad, Pakistan & Glasgow, UK Posts: 1,525	Dear Atheist, I too have visited the book site and found it difficult to make any head or tail of it. I would however say that this guy is far too clever than me. I too have tried to make sense of things if anyone is interested one can visit the site on <a href="http://www.religionandsecularism.gq.nu" target="_blank">http://www.religionandsecularism.gq.nu</a> All the best

11-27-2002, 07:15 AM	#6
Keith Russell Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Overland Park, Kansas Posts: 1,336	Greetings: Saying "I think I do think..." is redundant. In saying 'I think', it is understood that you must be first aware that you think, in order for you to say, 'I think'. I don't believe that it is therefore necessary that this be stated twice... To then continue by asking the question "so do I exist?", is to exhibit a confusion about what the concept 'exist' is. For an entity to do anything, such as thinking, it must first be--it must first exist. If you think, then you also exist, and asking that question is, also, unecessary. Keith. [ November 27, 2002: Message edited by: Keith Russell ]</p>

11-27-2002, 07:51 AM	#7
Theli Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,567	"I think I do think..." Does anyone else than me see a paradox here?

11-27-2002, 09:36 AM	#8
smarko New Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 3	Ok. Thank you for your comments.

11-27-2002, 12:06 PM	#9
Keith Russell Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Overland Park, Kansas Posts: 1,336	Greetings: Theli, I called it a redundancy. What part do you see as paradoxical? Keith.

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