Biff the unclean

I didn't change the subject at all. Comets, earthquakes, darkness in the middle of the day and the streets filling with ghosts were common literary devices used at the time that the gospels were written. Anytime the death of a great man was written about some combination of these phenomena was mentioned. Usually the ghosts were those of brave warriors who had died in battle. That they are the zombies of saints is an interesting twist. This business of nature itself crying out at the death of the great man is pure metaphor. That Christians insist on portraying it as historic is pathetic. Had Matthew written that it rained cats and dogs at the crucifixion we'd be talking about how Eusebius said that Julius Africanus said that Tallus said that the streets were filled with poodles after the rain.

That this whole death and resurrection nonsense is pure myth is blatantly obvious. Not only is it a very common myth but the Christians never even bothered to change it's name from the original (well, an earlier) version. Easter is the name of the Goddess of the dawn. At dawn on the day of the first full moon after the vernal equinox Easter brought her son/consort (depending on your sect) the hero demigod Tammuz back to life after he had been dead for three days (the amount of time the moon is new).
The earliest image of Easter and Tammuz (this is the same myth as Ishtar & Dumuzi or Aphrodite & Adonis. Adonis, it should be noticed, had an altar dedicated to him on the steps of the Great Temple of Jerusalem still active in the first century but left over from the Greek occupation) comes from Hacilar in Turkey and is dated at 5400BCE. It is identical to the Christian icon of the crucified Christ laid in the lap of the Virgin Mother.

Mageth

The most accepted date is about 2500-3000 B.C.

You must have edited this since hj copied it...

You need to explain this date for the flood and your comment about Egypt not existing before the flood in context with the accepted dates for Egyptian civilizations, which predate 3000 BC. See a timeline of Egyptian history here, for example.

Biff the unclean

Gee, that would put you smack dab in the middle of the Old Kingdom. Odd none of them should notice how damp it was.
http://www.ancient-egypt.org/history/index.html

Bree

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Magus55

What calenders are Egyptians civilizations dated by? The Julian-Gregorian (one we use today and have been for over 2000 years)?

Mageth

What calenders are Egyptians civilizations dated by? The Julian-Gregorian (one we use today and have been for over 2000 years).

I have no idea what your point is with this. What does this have to do with the dating of the flood or Egyptian civilizations?

The Gregorian calendar dates from (as in originated in) the 16th Century CE, BTW. The Julian calendar from @45 BCE, IIRC.

Biff the unclean

The calenders used on both those sites are the same calender you are using.
High Egyptian civilization date from over a thousand years before your date for a world wide flood. The pre-dynastic further back still--ca 5464 BCE.
All that time the Egyptians lived in a desert.

Magus55

The Gregorian calendar is younger than the Julian. Pope Gregory modified Julius Ceasars Calendar somewhere around 500 A.D. So the modern Calendar has only existed for like 1500 -2000 years.

My point is, the dating of the flood and egyptian civilization is being based on the Julian Gregorian calendar, that wasn't invented until 3000+ years later. I'll have to do some research, but the dates could be skewed because of how we are assigning dates based on the modern Calendar. 3761 BC on the Julian calendar, is approximately 1 on the Hebrew Calendar.

I'll try to get back to you after i do some research and see what I find.

Flynn McKerrow

"somewhere around 500 A.D." eh? 1582 was the exact year.

Being off by 1000 years isn't really very good accuracy.


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Mageth

The Gregorian calendar is younger than the Julian. Pope Gregory modified Julius Ceasars Calendar somewhere around 500 A.D. So the modern Calendar has only existed for like 1500 -2000 years.

That would be 1500 CE, not 500. (Actually in the mid-1500s).

My point is, the dating of the flood and egyptian civilization is being based on the Julian Gregorian calendar, that wasn't invented until 3000+ years later. I'll have to do some research, but the dates could be skewed because of how we are assigning dates based on the modern Calendar. 3761 BC on the Julian calendar, is approximately 1 on the Hebrew Calendar.

I'll try to get back to you after i do some research and see what I find.

You're chasing your tail. Just think of it in absolute years from today. You said earlier the flood supposedly occurred 4400 years ago. Well, there was civilization in Egypt at least 5000 years ago. Typically, the absolute years are figured out first for an archaeological event/site, and the approximate calendar dating figured out from that.