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Boro Nut · 05-15-2002, 03:30 AM

Surely it must occur to creationists that they are missing the point on this one. It is useless to argue the finer points of evolution with people who clearly know their stuff inside out, and so they will inevitably fall into the trap of having to resort to misinformation and outright lies. They have no hope of winning.

What they should direct the main thrust of their arguments toward is the outcome of supposed evolution. Invariably, humans have got human eyes and cows have got cows eyes. Be serious. It can't be just chance that we have ended up with the right eyes now can it? If evolution was just random we could well have ended up with cows eyes, therefore proving ID.

Boro Nut

I've only been on the case five minutes and already I've saved their bacon. I think I deserve an honorary place in heaven out of this.

dangin · 05-15-2002, 04:55 AM

Hey there nutty,

I know you are just kidding, but wouldn't a population of humans evolving towards a model that included cow's eyes be outcompeted, and thus, out bred?

I don't know that much about the efficacy of the bovine eyeball, (are you eyeballing me bossy?) but since we don't have them, there must be an advantage to our eyes, over their eyes, for us.

Sorry to burst your excellent solution there, but you are imitating a cretinist very well.

braces_for_impact · 05-15-2002, 06:48 AM

Cows have the best eyes for their environment, as we do for ours.

I watched a special on PBS last night on evolution and Darwin. One of the more widespread arguments of Darwin's day was the perfection and functionality of the human eye, thus it must have been created. In Darwin's journals, it apparently gave him some cold sweats at night as the eye was so complex. But he still felt that natural selection could explain even the human eye. Shortly thereafter there was a scientist who was explaining human eye evolution, very interesting.

Godless Dave · 05-15-2002, 07:08 AM

If the human eye is perfect, how come I can't see without glasses?

Boro Nut · 05-15-2002, 08:16 AM

Surely, you have evolved to the point that your eyes don't need to function beyond being able to find your glasses.

Boro Nut

Boro Nut · 05-15-2002, 08:20 AM

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Originally posted by dangin:
I know you are just kidding...

How dare you!!

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..but wouldn't a population of humans evolving towards a model that included cow's eyes be outcompeted, and thus, out bred?

Quite the reverse. Take beer goggles for example. Under their influence of imperfect perception, even the rankest ditch-pig appears to be worth a shag. The effect would be to increase output beyond the means of more discerning species.

Boro Nut

[ May 15, 2002: Message edited by: Boro Nut ]

dangin · 05-15-2002, 09:07 AM

Ahh the evolution of the beer goggles. The question being posed, are beer goggles a benefit to breeding, and thus evolution?

When wearing beer goggles would the inebriated chap choose the most heinous of the females present? No, he only accepts said female when no others are present. Drunk or not, available hotties still win out. Your beer goggle theory would only work if humans were less social, so access to women was reduced.

Godless Dave · 05-15-2002, 10:50 AM

I would say that beer goggles are conducive to reproduction, because you're more likely to screw up when you're putting the condom on, or forget about it altogether.

nogods4me · 05-15-2002, 10:53 AM

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I've only been on the case five minutes and already I've saved their bacon. I think I deserve an honorary place in heaven out of this.

How about a Ph.D from Patriot University and a mention in the dedication of Kent Hovind's next book, instead?

05-15-2002, 03:30 AM	#1
Boro Nut Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Middlesbrough, England Posts: 3,909	Evolution of the Eye as Proof of God Surely it must occur to creationists that they are missing the point on this one. It is useless to argue the finer points of evolution with people who clearly know their stuff inside out, and so they will inevitably fall into the trap of having to resort to misinformation and outright lies. They have no hope of winning. What they should direct the main thrust of their arguments toward is the outcome of supposed evolution. Invariably, humans have got human eyes and cows have got cows eyes. Be serious. It can't be just chance that we have ended up with the right eyes now can it? If evolution was just random we could well have ended up with cows eyes, therefore proving ID. Boro Nut I've only been on the case five minutes and already I've saved their bacon. I think I deserve an honorary place in heaven out of this.

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05-15-2002, 04:55 AM	#2
dangin Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: The Middle, Kansas Posts: 2,637	Hey there nutty, I know you are just kidding, but wouldn't a population of humans evolving towards a model that included cow's eyes be outcompeted, and thus, out bred? I don't know that much about the efficacy of the bovine eyeball, (are you eyeballing me bossy?) but since we don't have them, there must be an advantage to our eyes, over their eyes, for us. Sorry to burst your excellent solution there, but you are imitating a cretinist very well.

05-15-2002, 06:48 AM	#3
braces_for_impact Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In a nondescript, black helicopter. Posts: 6,637	Cows have the best eyes for their environment, as we do for ours. I watched a special on PBS last night on evolution and Darwin. One of the more widespread arguments of Darwin's day was the perfection and functionality of the human eye, thus it must have been created. In Darwin's journals, it apparently gave him some cold sweats at night as the eye was so complex. But he still felt that natural selection could explain even the human eye. Shortly thereafter there was a scientist who was explaining human eye evolution, very interesting.

05-15-2002, 07:08 AM	#4
Godless Dave Contributor Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: With 10,000 lakes who needs a coast? Posts: 10,762	If the human eye is perfect, how come I can't see without glasses?

05-15-2002, 08:16 AM	#5
Boro Nut Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Middlesbrough, England Posts: 3,909	Surely, you have evolved to the point that your eyes don't need to function beyond being able to find your glasses. Boro Nut

05-15-2002, 09:07 AM	#7
dangin Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: The Middle, Kansas Posts: 2,637	Ahh the evolution of the beer goggles. The question being posed, are beer goggles a benefit to breeding, and thus evolution? When wearing beer goggles would the inebriated chap choose the most heinous of the females present? No, he only accepts said female when no others are present. Drunk or not, available hotties still win out. Your beer goggle theory would only work if humans were less social, so access to women was reduced.

05-15-2002, 10:50 AM	#8
Godless Dave Contributor Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: With 10,000 lakes who needs a coast? Posts: 10,762	I would say that beer goggles are conducive to reproduction, because you're more likely to screw up when you're putting the condom on, or forget about it altogether.

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