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Turkel on miracles
Why do Christians think atheists should be persuaded by miracles, when they themselves would deny that 3 Suns appearing at once is a miracle,
and say it is the sort of event which does not defy natural explanation? In <a href="http://www.tektonics.org/tekton_01_01_01_THL.html" target="_blank">http://www.tektonics.org/tekton_01_01_01_THL.html</a> Robert (No Link) Turkel writes 'The darkness at the crucifixion, as we see from Thallus, defied natural explanation, and had the character of a miracle; and this is precisely the sort of event that Pliny would pass over in disdain - for he was a skeptic and a rationalist of the highest order!' Pliny in his Natural History reports 'It is also reported that once several suns were seen at midday at the Bosphorus, and that these lasted from dawn till sunset. In former times three suns have often been seen at once, for example in the consulships of Spurius Postumius and Quintus Mucius of Quintus Marcius and Marcus Porcius, of Marcus Antonius and Publius Dolabellal and of Marcus Lepidus and Lucius Plancus; and our generation saw this during the principate of his late Majesty Claudius, in his consulship, when Cornelius Orfitus was his colleague. It is not stated that more than three suns at a time have ever been seen hitherto.' and Pliny continues 'Also three moons have appeared at once, for instance in the consulship of Gnaeus Domitius and Gaius Fannius.' Of course, Pliny , being a rationalist and a sceptic, did not regard 3 suns all day long as a miracle (but a darkness of 3 hours would have been a miracle that he would disdain reporting). Truly I have a lot to learn from Robert (A majority of the world is Chinese) Turkel about ancient cultures. Pliny, according to Turkel, did not record events which defied rational explanation. Perhaps Turkel can come up with a rational explanation for 3 suns appearing often in the sky. And a rational explanation for 3 moons. |
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