ansarthemystic

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Just wondering...

What's the official christian position on oral sex between married couples?

What about masturbation...married or single?
Don't use the Onan example please!!!

In the bible the word that is translated as "fornication" is the Greek word "pornae" which means prostitute. So wouldn't the actual christian position be DO NOT HAVE SEX WITH (TEMPLE) PROSTITUTES?

In the bible it is clearly apparent that the definition of extramarital affair refers to having sex with someone's wife. Therefore you can have sex with anyone who is not a prostitute or married to someone else?

If the bible is the word of the all-knowing god why does it not contain any passages denouncing having sex with children?

If christians believe in having only one wife why doesn't the bible say something like "and Abraham slept with his maid servant Hagar, and she bore him a son named Ishmael. And God was vey angry with His prophet for taking another wife at the behest of his first wife, instead of consulting Him. So Abraham married another woman named Keturah and she bore him many Children. And God was very angry with His for marrying yet another woman"?

Why is the punishment for adultery death for a woman, but not for the man committing adultery?

Why does the bible repeatedly say stuff like " and he went in unto her,and he knew her, and THEN she became his wife.."?
notice the order of events....a) meet woman b)break hymen(a pact sealed in blood no less b/c she must be a virgin) c)insert penis d)ejaculate e)she is NOW his wife


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Sephiroth

Probably differs with different denominations just like EVERYTHING else. As far as I know, at least conservative denominations are against both.

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NOGO

This is my tidbit on sex and God.

Libido drives animals to procreate otherwise they wouldn't. A clear requirement and a clear solution.

Now men and women have brains. They can decide to procreate or not. They have this HIGH level drive to procreate. So why have libido?

Why design a creature with this massive brain and then give him the same low level drive to procreate as the lower animals?

Egoinos

As far as I know, porneo or however its spelt (too lazy to go and find out) is hotly debated. No one is entirely sure what it means, just that it has something to do with sex.

Jayman

A few answers for you.

I don't see any problem with it.

I don't see much of a problem with masturbation. However, you could run into problems when it comes to lusting in your heart (Matt. 5:28). But I think masturbation could make you stop lusting in your heart sooner than if you tried to "wait it out."

God can still be all-knowing and not place a passage about having sex with children in the Bible. From other laws in the Bible you can make the case that sexual relations with children is wrong. For example, you are to love you everyone as yourself. Since molesting children does them harm you should not molest them.

Leviticus 20:10 says, "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife -- with the wife of his neigbhor -- both the adulterer and the adultress must be put to death."

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Sephiroth

But, of course, you can rape a slave woman with impunity.

Leviticus 19:20-22;

And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free. And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the LORD, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, even a ram for a trespass offering. And the priest shall make an atonement for him with the ram of the trespass offering before the LORD for his sin which he hath done: and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven him.

Gotta love god's justice system.

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Kosh

"69", just like everybody else.

You'll be a lot better off when you stop letting other people tell you how to live.

NOGO

You missed the point here. "with another man's wife" but not with a virgin. In that case he may be forced to pay a sum of money. Correct me if I am wrong but the bible does not call adultery when a married man has a relation with an unmarried woman. However, a married woman commits adultery no matter what the civil state of the man involved.

ansarthemystic

I think I also confused Jayman myself. What I was trying to say was that the definition of adultery, according to what the bible defines as adultery, is sex with someone else's spouse.These excludes all unmarried women, virgin or not. This leads to the prohibiton on fornication. I did a little research and the word fornication comes from a Latin word, which of course borrowed it from a Greek word. In Latin(fornicatus) and Greek(pornaea) the word means having sex with prostitutes. In English the word means "consentual sex between two persons not married to each other". I hope others can see the problem here. If one wants to know the intent of the prohibition in the bible one has to agree with the Greek in which the bible(new testament) and NOT modern English definitions of the word. Therefore, fornication IS sex with pr
prostitutes.

Now the only women that are left are virgins that are free and allmanner of slave girls. There is no limit to your sexual behavior, according to the bible, regarding them.

fornictus

ansarthemystic

you really didn't answer my questions....

Most anti-abortion christians say that anything that conflicts with the two expressed purposes of sex: pleasure and procreation, is unlawful sex; even between married couples. I think this means birth control,condoms,anal sex,oral sex,rape and masturbation fall under this category of unlawful sex.

Now this brings me to lust. It is impossible not to masturbate or have sex without some form of physical arousal(the definition of lust. Now, why is lust considered wrong to christians yet it is necessary for married people to physically desire each other. How can something be wrong in one situation and right in another situation?

YOU WROTE:"God can still be all-knowing and not place a passage about having sex with children in the Bible. From other laws in the Bible you can make the case that sexual relations with children is wrong. For example, you are to love you everyone as yourself. Since molesting children does them harm you should not molest them."

Yet the bible uses countless pages to denounce such minutia as not eating pork, not having sex with a woman during menstration, etc... AND in the times that the bible was written it was lawful to wed a virgin once she reached puberty to the extent that she was menstruating, hence was able to bear children. Considering what I have learned of human evolutionary biology I think that girls reached menstration earlier, in our evolutionary history, than they do now. Now, the average age of menstruation is 8-13 years old! Why does not the bible explicitly state that sex with children is wrong? It would seem because the bible considers it ok as long as the "child" is "of age".

One more question...what is the bible's position on anal sex between married people?

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