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Old 08-12-2002, 12:48 PM   #21
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There is a very good reason why only men are priests. The priests are supposed to be symbolic representations of Jesus Christ. I would find it quite inappropriate for Sean Connery to play the part of Marilyn Monroe in a movie. Likewise, it is also inappropriate for a woman to represent Jesus Christ.

Funny - I can't imagine anyone playing Peter Pan better than Sandy Duncan. Did you find that "inappropriate"?
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There is a very good reason why only men are priests. The priests are supposed to be symbolic representations of Jesus Christ. I would find it quite inappropriate for Sean Connery to play the part of Marilyn Monroe in a movie. Likewise, it is also inappropriate for a woman to represent Jesus Christ.
On this argument, all catholic priests should be Jews.

With regard to the argument about Sean Connery playing Marilyn, are priests then actors?

Your political representative can be a man or woman, regardless of your gender. I would have thought that what mattered if priests really represented Jesus would be that they were human beings. Or perhaps a chimp could be a priest as long as he was a male.

I notice that so far we have had no catholic apologists explaining why it was right for these women to be excommunicated while Hitler and paedophile priests weren't.

On a related issue, the church is run by priests, who at present are all men. This means that no women, whether nuns or laywomen, can have a significant voice in running the church.
 
Old 08-12-2002, 07:48 PM   #23
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<strong>Is it just me, or are Amos's posts anything more than surreal nonsense?</strong>
But ever so true. It is as Gemma Therese said, the Pope cannot allow female ordination nor can a thousand cardinals change this.
 
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Funny - I can't imagine anyone playing Peter Pan better than Sandy Duncan. Did you find that "inappropriate"?[/QB]
I beg to differ. <a href="http://wi.essortment.com/marymartinpete_reaa.htm" target="_blank">http://wi.essortment.com/marymartinpete_reaa.htm</A>
Now Mary Martin was Peter Pan.
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<strong>That is a terrible excuse. So – what represents Christ – a penis? Brighid</strong>
Certianly not a tit and I know the Church well enough to say that she is not for tits but females are welcome and are always the backbone of the church.
 
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<strong>How utterly and completely pathetic that women would be excommunicated for doing what – preaching the word of their God? Why – because one reason and one reason only – they have a vagina and Jesus had a penis. Yet, priests with penis’ may insert them into little boys and girls and remain Vicars of Christ, presenting His Body and Blood to the faithful and performing other sacraments of their God – and even after immoral and criminal wrong doing has been determined to be credible and the priest found guilty, he will be forgiven, perhaps defrocked, keep his pension but he will NEVER be ex-communicated.

Brighid</strong>
Women are not excommunicated for preaching the word of God but for unlawfully entering the sanctuary that represents the conscious mind of man. This is just part of the mystical imagery portrayed by the Church. It represents a division and subordination of the subconscious to the conscious mind which also is meant to exist between male and female and between humanity and womanity. This division should never become blurred and is probably is a remnant from the old opposite sex society.

I don't think priests are allowed to insert penis' into little boys or girls, but if they do why should such a sin not be forgiven? I mean it is just a sin, is it not, and are not all sins the same in the eyes of God? To think otherwise sounds vengefull and is a good reason to keep you away from the pulpit.
 
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I don't think priests are allowed to insert penis' into little boys or girls, but if they do why should such a sin not be forgiven? I mean it is just a sin, is it not, and are not all sins the same in the eyes of God? To think otherwise sounds vengefull and is a good reason to keep you away from the pulpit.
Lets not forget Amos that it`s not just a sin. It`s also a felony.
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Amos,

If men sit silently with the knowledge that their subordinates have and continue to sexually abuse children, and with this knowledge hid the perpetrator and shuffle this man to different parishes where he abuses children again – these men have condoned and participated in the behavior and thereby gave their consent. These men have been allowed to sexually abuse boys and girls in any number of horrific ways. They also knew it was wrong or else “treatment” facilities would not have been created to send these men to for “recovery.” These men are never excommunicated and they are forgiven. They are even given their jobs back and in any event always cared for by the Church until their dieing day. They have committed many sins: bearing false witness through their lies and deceit, destroying the trust of a child entrusted to their care, falsely representing the Body of Christ (unless of course Christ was a child molester as well) and both Church and priest committed felonies: including rape and obstruction of justice.

Hitler was responsible for some of this centuries most heinous crimes and murdered millions of Gods chosen people and for this he was not excommunicated.

Yet, when a woman does nothing more then violate a rule that actually harms NO ONE, they are excommunicated. These women have broken no laws and yet for “for unlawfully entering the sanctuary that represents the conscious mind of man” they have received the harshest punishment that can be given. For “unlawfully” entering an imaginary sanctuary!

Why does this not sound utterly and completely indefensible? Why no forgiveness for these women who have harmed no one? They have murdered no man, woman or child. They have committed no felony. They have not obstructed justice, raped, molested or destroyed the soul of a child(ren), and for daring to represent Christ while possessing a vagina makes them more heinous and criminal then even the most vicious despot!

Damn straight sweetie – your Church wouldn’t want a woman with an opinion, a brain and a backbone preaching a word to its mindless masses. Heaven forbid a thing with a vagina would be allowed to enter into the sanctuary that represents the conscious minds of men – (the horror, the travesty, the unthinkable and untold tortures …) AND SPEAK … what might befall the Church if a woman stood before it’s faithful and spoke … Can't you just feel the love, the compassion, tolerance and forgiveness!

Hypocrites. Damned hypocrites and if there is a God/Goddess then surely IT/HE/SHE/THEY can see the hypocrisy of such ignorant, bigoted stupidity and punish the Catholic Church for it.

How is it that you are ashamed for believing such rubbish? You pray with that mind and that mouth?

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URGENT NEWSFLASH

GREATEST CRIME OF THE CENTURY

A crime worse then the rape and molestation of young children, greater then the ruthless torture and murder of millions of Jew, no gluttony, sloth, lust, anger, hatred, lie, no adultery, coveting, or taking the Lord’s name in vain can compare to this …

A crime so terrible, so unthinkable that it deserves the stiffest penalty of them all! A penalty that is not only valid in this world, but in the world beyond!

I know folks, what could be worse then what I have mentioned! A crime so terrible that forgiveness shall not be extended. These criminals make Hitler, Pol Pot and all the pedophile priests seem meek, mild and surely misunderstood. What is the punishment you ask?

The Punishment – eternal excommunication from the Church and THEE TRIUNE God …

THE CRIME … now brace yourselves folks and I strongly urge you to remove any young children, pregnant women or elderly people from the room as this will surely petrify and shock you even the strongest of men. Ladies and gentlemen, please take your seats, grab your bibles and get ready to say 10 Hail Mary’s and Our Father’s, perhaps more depending on your sensibilities …

The Crime is being a woman while speaking the word of God and DARE attempting to represent the sacred body of Christ while possessing a VAGINA!

This just in … it has been reported that men and women are jumping out of their windows, running about the town in all manner of chaos, screaming, shrieking, pulling the hair from their heads, believing that the world must certainly becoming to an end if something so horrible, so unthinkable, so … so despicable, disgusting, and UNFORGIVABLE could be happening. How did we let such an atrocity befall the Church? How could they have allowed WOMEN to represent Christ!
AAHhhhhhh…… my eyes are burning from the thought of Christs body inside a …. A…. a…. Woman's ......... ahhhhhhhhhhhh ........ the hoooooorrrrrrroooooorrrrrrrrr

The end has come!

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Old 08-13-2002, 06:51 AM   #30
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If women want to preach the Gospel, they can do so as RCIA instructors, CCD teachers, or more dramatically, as vowed religious. (The Domincans, after all, are known as the "Order of Preachers"). No one is stopping a woman from getting a degree in theology and teaching religion in a Catholic high school.

Women cannot and should not be priests. It is that simple. They can still preach, in fact, they are called to.

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