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dimossi · 01-24-2002, 03:13 PM

<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/01/24/missing.school.bus/index.html" target="_blank">Article</a>

Ugh...this is so annoying:
"God was able to keep his finger on it and keep them safe -- and we rejoice," he said. "I think He answered our prayers."

He was able to do that but couldn't stop the terrorists from ramming planes into the WTC? He let's millions of children around
the world die a slow painful death due to starvation and disease, yet according to this "Christian" he protects this small group of
children from this mentally unstable driver. What happened to the free will of the driver if their prayers were indeed answered?

hezekiah jones · 01-24-2002, 03:34 PM

Crazy driver saves kids from crazier religious school.

Mageth · 01-24-2002, 03:42 PM

Where was god when that train hit the rearend of a shoolbus a few years ago, killing several children? Where was god when that drunk driver ran into a parked bus full of kids, immolating a bunch of them?

God seems pretty selective about when he steps in and "keeps his finger" on something. As a matter of fact, his "finger" seems to be pretty much equal to random chance.

Sephiroth · 01-24-2002, 08:03 PM

I honestly think Christians don't logically think of the events when they credit god or blame the devil, it's just a habit (like masturbation

).

01-24-2002, 08:11 PM

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He was able to do that but couldn't stop the terrorists from ramming planes into the WTC?

No, He didn't step in to prevent the planes from crashing, but He did step in to allow many to escape the towers. Praise Jebus! </sarcasm>

(this photo is from Freethought Today)

Did you by any chance see Larry King tonight? They devoted the entire hour to "the power of prayer." What a bunch of friggin idiots.

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Ysabella · 01-25-2002, 04:37 AM

The "Power of Prayer" to me is just this: the power of the human mind to help heal the body. Visualization is really key, and some people find prayer an easier focus than visualization methods. Especially as visualization seems so new-agey and prayer so socially acceptable these days.

bonduca · 01-25-2002, 04:44 AM

Hmmm...perhaps God only saves the people he/she/it likes.

babelfish · 01-25-2002, 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sephiroth:
<strong>I honestly think Christians don't logically think of the events when they credit god or blame the devil, it's just a habit (like masturbation

).</strong>

I agree. It is a habit. I recently watched a Dateline NBC all about a little newborn girl with numerous medical problems who was in and out of the hospital constantly for the first few months of her life. In the end, she lived and is now thriving. Of course, she is a "miracle baby."

I think it is very gracious of the medical community when they don't take any credit for their hard work and knowledge but instead allow family members and the media to broadcast that it was their prayers that achieved the "miracle."

Oresta · 01-25-2002, 06:30 AM

Quote from CNN story:
There was no explanation for why the bus deviated more than 100 miles from the Christian school attended by the children.

God works in mysterious ways.

Mageth · 01-25-2002, 07:43 AM

I recently watched a Dateline NBC all about a little newborn girl with numerous medical problems who was in and out of the hospital constantly for the first few months of her life. In the end, she lived and is now thriving. Of course, she is a "miracle baby."

Not to mention, if god was able to keep her alive and help her thrive, why did he let her get sick in the first place, or why didn't he heal her on day one? An xian answer might be "to help us learn to trust in god and pray." My response to this is : WHAT KIND OF A SICK BASTARD WOULD DO THAT TO A BABY TO TEACH ITS PARENTS A LESSON? AND WHAT KIND OF PARENT WOULD WORSHIP AND ADORE SUCH A SICK BASTARD?

Apologies in advance for the all caps.

01-24-2002, 03:13 PM	#1
dimossi Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sarasota, FL Posts: 243	God saved kids from crazy bus driver? <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/01/24/missing.school.bus/index.html" target="_blank">Article</a> Ugh...this is so annoying: "God was able to keep his finger on it and keep them safe -- and we rejoice," he said. "I think He answered our prayers." He was able to do that but couldn't stop the terrorists from ramming planes into the WTC? He let's millions of children around the world die a slow painful death due to starvation and disease, yet according to this "Christian" he protects this small group of children from this mentally unstable driver. What happened to the free will of the driver if their prayers were indeed answered?

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01-24-2002, 03:34 PM	#2
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Crazy driver saves kids from crazier religious school.

01-24-2002, 03:42 PM	#3
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Where was god when that train hit the rearend of a shoolbus a few years ago, killing several children? Where was god when that drunk driver ran into a parked bus full of kids, immolating a bunch of them? God seems pretty selective about when he steps in and "keeps his finger" on something. As a matter of fact, his "finger" seems to be pretty much equal to random chance.

01-24-2002, 08:03 PM	#4
Sephiroth Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 625	I honestly think Christians don't logically think of the events when they credit god or blame the devil, it's just a habit (like masturbation ).

01-25-2002, 04:37 AM	#6
Ysabella Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: An American in Holland Posts: 166	The "Power of Prayer" to me is just this: the power of the human mind to help heal the body. Visualization is really key, and some people find prayer an easier focus than visualization methods. Especially as visualization seems so new-agey and prayer so socially acceptable these days.

01-25-2002, 04:44 AM	#7
bonduca Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: . Posts: 1,653	Hmmm...perhaps God only saves the people he/she/it likes.

01-25-2002, 06:30 AM	#9
Oresta Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 1,107	Quote from CNN story: There was no explanation for why the bus deviated more than 100 miles from the Christian school attended by the children. God works in mysterious ways.

01-25-2002, 07:43 AM	#10
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	I recently watched a Dateline NBC all about a little newborn girl with numerous medical problems who was in and out of the hospital constantly for the first few months of her life. In the end, she lived and is now thriving. Of course, she is a "miracle baby." Not to mention, if god was able to keep her alive and help her thrive, why did he let her get sick in the first place, or why didn't he heal her on day one? An xian answer might be "to help us learn to trust in god and pray." My response to this is : WHAT KIND OF A SICK BASTARD WOULD DO THAT TO A BABY TO TEACH ITS PARENTS A LESSON? AND WHAT KIND OF PARENT WOULD WORSHIP AND ADORE SUCH A SICK BASTARD? Apologies in advance for the all caps.

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