Duvenoy

Pretty amazing, really. I've heard about "pockets" of fresh or salt water where the creatures that couldn't take brackish survived. Also, my personal favorite, all the fish and so forth of the time were able to withstand the changes and only became specalized after the waters went down.

And, o'course: Goddidit!

doov

Quetzal

And the marvelous question that someone posted on another board - and which I admit I had never thought of before:

"What happened to all the dead, rotting carcasses after the Flud?" There must have been literally zillions of tons of dead meat lying tens of meters deep all over every surface immediately after the flud waters departed. Think about it: everything from archea to smilodons were dead except for the pitiful handful of critters on the ark. The stench alone would be enough to kill the surviving ark-o-nauts.

Oolon Colluphid

Just a correction to my post above (posted separately for emphasis). I said:

However, I was getting my inches and millimetres confused. The above line should read: That is far far greater than all but one world record for rainfall.

From the <a href="http://fmd.dpri.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~flood/data/worldrec.html" target="_blank">World Records of Extraordinary Rainfall</a> page, it seems that the greatest recorded rainfall is 1.5 inches in one minute. That happens to be the magical 90 inches in an hour. But it is never normally maintained. The 5 min record is 2.43, which is a mere 29 inches; the 15 min one is 7.8, or 31 inches/hour. The record for one day is 73.62 -- only 3 inches an hour. And the nearest to the biblical 40 days is a 31 day record, from Cherrapunji, India in 1861, of 366.14 inches, or just half an inch an hour.

Whichever way you look at it, it had to rain heavier than the water that comes from your bathroom shower. For 960 hours non-stop. And remember that that’s a low estimate.

It also leads me to pondering. Okay, so these ‘FotD’ produced some of the water. But where did all the water come from to get up into clouds, in order to rain and provide the remainder? Water is of course normally in a cycle. To get up into clouds, it must have been somewhere before, no? So did it all come from underground to start with? Just how vast were these ‘fountains’ that they could produce all 7,000-odd feet of water above the surface? That’s one hell of a volume...



DT

Duvenoy

Why, the rotting corspes were where the bacteria rode out God's wet, little snit!!

Really, I've heard this put forth!



doov

Coragyps

<a href="http://www.creationscience.com/" target="_blank">Walt Brown</a> has ya covered, DT! He explains that the WotD were in a mile-thick cavern ten miles below the surface, and that they formed all the mid-ocean ridges, supplied the clouds with water, and launched the entire asteroid belt when they busted loose.
I might add that he's a little fuzzy on how the caverns lasted as long as they did, how the water got cooled from 800 degrees down to tolerable temperatures, and why the asteroids aren't all on Earth-crossing orbits, but, hey, he's trying!

Randy

Arrowman Wrote I have done calculations on global rain and heat release in the past. They clearly show that any significant depth of global rain is not possible. Here is an example

The surface area of the earth is about 5x10^8 sq km or 5 x 18 sq cm.
A meter of global rain would be about 5 x 10^20 sq cm or 5 x 10^20 grams.
For water to condense from vapor to fall as rain it must release its latent heat of vaporization about 2260 J/g. 5 x 10^20 g of rain would release a little over 10^24 J.

The mass of the atmosphere is about 5.1 x 10^21 g. It takes about 1 j to heat one gram of dry air one degree at constant pressure. The constant volume heat capacity is a less but 1 is such a convenient number. The specific heat of water vapor is about 2 J/gram.

Now lets suppose that there are 5 x 10^20 g of water vapor in the air and 2.5x10^20 fall to produce 0.5 meter of global rain. The total heat capacity of the atmosphere and its remaining water vapor is (5.1 x10^21 +2*(2.5x10^20)) = 6.1 x 10^21). 5.7 x 10^23 J of latent heat will be released which should heat the atmosphere by about 93 C (167 F).

We have less than 20 inches of global rain and a very hot day.

BTW it is estimated that all the water vapor currently in the atmosphere could produce about 0.5 inches of global rain.

Randy

One of the last sane

Yes, very trying.

Albion

Well, there wouldn't be any fresh vegetation or fresh water for a long time after the flood, and the survivors had to eat something. I presume that a deity who could create vegetarian lions in the Garden of Eden could turn all the Ark survivors into scavengers for a while after the Flood.

Duvenoy

It would take a miracle indeed to allow Noah & family to survive gnawing year old bones dug out of some really foul and tainted mud.

But, as I recall, N threw a barbeque (don't ask me where he got the fire wood. Don't think it was the ark. Burning pitch kinda makes meat taste not so good)) for God. Perhaps Big G was grateful enough to lay a Shazam!! or two on him.

The Flood Story gets more preposterous with each telling.

doov

The Lone Ranger

The disease problem has been mentioned before, I think. There are lots of organisms that survive only as parasites on or within the bodies of other organisms. To put it mildly, everyone on the ark would be very sick. Here's a new twist, though.

Lots of parasitic/pathogenic organisms are sexually-transmitted, including lots of bacteria, protozoans, and fungi. All sorts of animals are plagued by sexually-transmitted, disease-causing organisms, and so are quite a lot of plant species.(!)

One very common feature of sexually-transmitted parasites is that they cause sterility of their hosts.

Not only would every animal and plant* on the ark be very sick, but most of them would be rendered sterile too, in all probability.

*Many of these plant pathogens can survive only on a mature plant -- seeds won't do.

Cheers,

Michael

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