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Wasatch · 10-03-2002, 05:07 AM

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Over the centuries, researchers have found bones and artifacts proving that humans like us have existed for millions of years. Mainstream science, however, has suppressed these facts. Prejudices based on current scientific theory act as a "knowledge filter," giving us a picture of prehistory that is largely incorrect. Cremo is a Member of the History of Science Society, The American Anthropological Association, and a research associate in history and philosophy of science for the Bhaktivedanta Institute

Cremo was on Art Bell recently. Has anyone read his books? Any good? Or a waste of money? The theory sounds interesting.

Wasatch

Oolon Colluphid · 10-03-2002, 05:26 AM

I�m curious as to how and why �mainstream science� might go about suppressing such things. Surely there�s a Nobel Prize (not to mention a big pile of dosh) there for the taking by anyone who could overturn some well-established bit of science?

So someone turns up some startling discovery... and instead of publishing it, they stick it in a drawer or back in the ground. And someone else does the same. And again. And again. Different people all doing this �over the centuries�... We�re into scientific conspiratory (aka La-La) land again...

Oolon

Oolon Colluphid · 10-03-2002, 05:30 AM

It also occurs to me that creationists make a great fuss over the few radiometric dates that don�t fit the usual pattern, and so claim that the results are unreliable. But where do they get these measurements from? Would it be that they�ve been published along with the rest? Where�s the conspiracy there?

Oolon

lpetrich · 10-03-2002, 05:37 AM

This viewpoint, the great age of our species, has been expressed in a "documentary" called "The Mysterious Origins of Man".

But when I saw this thread, I wondered what relation it might have to Ed, who has repeatedly claimed that Homo erectus and Homo sapiens are really one species.

pz · 10-03-2002, 06:15 AM

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Originally posted by Wasatch:
Cremo was on Art Bell recently. Has anyone read his books? Any good? Or a waste of money? The theory sounds interesting.

Cremo is a joke, a total waste of time and effort. He's a Hindu creationist, of all things. His only value is in providing a useful sense of perspective: he is evidence that Christians don't have a monopoly on stupidity.

Doesn't the fact that he was on Art Bell give you a clue?

Neruda · 10-03-2002, 07:45 AM

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Originally posted by Wasatch:
Cremo was on Art Bell recently.

ah yes, Art Bell, always helping to uncover the truth.

Kosh · 10-03-2002, 09:36 AM

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Originally posted by Wasatch:
 and a research associate in history and philosophy of science for the Bhaktivedanta Institute

I remember back in college, all my friends wanted
to get into Harvard grad school. But the REALLY smart ones were aiming for the Bhaktivedanta Institute....

Skydancer · 10-03-2002, 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by pz:


Cremo is a joke, a total waste of time and effort. He's a Hindu creationist, of all things. His only value is in providing a useful sense of perspective: he is evidence that Christians don't have a monopoly on stupidity.

Doesn't the fact that he was on Art Bell give you a clue?

Heh. Interesting thing about Hindu Creationists... they think that 4.5 billion isn't ENOUGH time for the world to have been hanging around, and they expect humans to have been around the whole time. Just as wacky as the Christian flavor, but with opposite polarity.

Marduk · 10-04-2002, 02:42 AM

Cremo is the Author of the book "Forbidden Archaeology" if you are interested. It is quite a massive collection of his 'discoveries', if you search on it no doubt you will find many refutations, Doug Wellers site for one.

NBC caught much grief for even airing "The Mysterious Origins of Man" hosted by Charleton Heston no less, Weller also provides links to refute the MOOM show. I never saw it on TV but I bought it on Video just out of curiosity, to see what all the commotion was about.
The only thing of interest was a 20 minute interview that wasn't aired on Network TV.

They talk with Linda Howe (an associate of Art Bell) In the mid 70's she filmed a documentary about cattle mutilations called "Bloody Harvest" or something like that. During the filming she claims that "government men" came to her and let her read a 'top secret' document called "Origins of Humanity; Case Closed" all about how the gods of Eden, the Elohim were aliens who created humans by genetically altering primitive hominids, "let us make man in our image" She also said they filmed her reaction to reading the document.
For your consideration, submitted to you from the Twilight Zone

[ October 04, 2002: Message edited by: marduck ]

Marduk · 10-04-2002, 05:01 AM

On his part Cremo does make a few good points about the nature of this sort of science.
If an artifact seems too old to fit the 'accepted' age of man or civilization they blow it off. A piece of flint that looks like an arrowhead but is found in a place that would indicate it's X million years old "oh that's not an arrowhead, just a piece of flint" or if a hearth is too old to have been made by man at an "approved" time they will say that's not a hearth just 'a small forest fire' or something. They apply preconceived notions for dates not from science but from what is acceptable to the establishment.
There is much dogma for everyone

10-03-2002, 05:07 AM	#1
Wasatch Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Utah Posts: 30	Million year old man Quote: Over the centuries, researchers have found bones and artifacts proving that humans like us have existed for millions of years. Mainstream science, however, has suppressed these facts. Prejudices based on current scientific theory act as a "knowledge filter," giving us a picture of prehistory that is largely incorrect. Cremo is a Member of the History of Science Society, The American Anthropological Association, and a research associate in history and philosophy of science for the Bhaktivedanta Institute Cremo was on Art Bell recently. Has anyone read his books? Any good? Or a waste of money? The theory sounds interesting. Wasatch

10-04-2002, 02:42 AM	#9
Marduk Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: the 10th planet Posts: 5,065	Cremo is the Author of the book "Forbidden Archaeology" if you are interested. It is quite a massive collection of his 'discoveries', if you search on it no doubt you will find many refutations, Doug Wellers site for one. NBC caught much grief for even airing "The Mysterious Origins of Man" hosted by Charleton Heston no less, Weller also provides links to refute the MOOM show. I never saw it on TV but I bought it on Video just out of curiosity, to see what all the commotion was about. The only thing of interest was a 20 minute interview that wasn't aired on Network TV. They talk with Linda Howe (an associate of Art Bell) In the mid 70's she filmed a documentary about cattle mutilations called "Bloody Harvest" or something like that. During the filming she claims that "government men" came to her and let her read a 'top secret' document called "Origins of Humanity; Case Closed" all about how the gods of Eden, the Elohim were aliens who created humans by genetically altering primitive hominids, "let us make man in our image" She also said they filmed her reaction to reading the document. For your consideration, submitted to you from the Twilight Zone [ October 04, 2002: Message edited by: marduck ]</p>

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10-03-2002, 05:26 AM	#2
Oolon Colluphid Contributor Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Alibi: ego ipse hinc extermino Posts: 12,591	I�m curious as to how and why �mainstream science� might go about suppressing such things. Surely there�s a Nobel Prize (not to mention a big pile of dosh) there for the taking by anyone who could overturn some well-established bit of science? So someone turns up some startling discovery... and instead of publishing it, they stick it in a drawer or back in the ground. And someone else does the same. And again. And again. Different people all doing this �over the centuries�... We�re into scientific conspiratory (aka La-La) land again... Oolon

10-03-2002, 05:30 AM	#3
Oolon Colluphid Contributor Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Alibi: ego ipse hinc extermino Posts: 12,591	It also occurs to me that creationists make a great fuss over the few radiometric dates that don�t fit the usual pattern, and so claim that the results are unreliable. But where do they get these measurements from? Would it be that they�ve been published along with the rest? Where�s the conspiracy there? Oolon

10-03-2002, 05:37 AM	#4
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	This viewpoint, the great age of our species, has been expressed in a "documentary" called "The Mysterious Origins of Man". But when I saw this thread, I wondered what relation it might have to Ed, who has repeatedly claimed that Homo erectus and Homo sapiens are really one species.

10-04-2002, 05:01 AM	#10
Marduk Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: the 10th planet Posts: 5,065	On his part Cremo does make a few good points about the nature of this sort of science. If an artifact seems too old to fit the 'accepted' age of man or civilization they blow it off. A piece of flint that looks like an arrowhead but is found in a place that would indicate it's X million years old "oh that's not an arrowhead, just a piece of flint" or if a hearth is too old to have been made by man at an "approved" time they will say that's not a hearth just 'a small forest fire' or something. They apply preconceived notions for dates not from science but from what is acceptable to the establishment. There is much dogma for everyone

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