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Evangelion · 03-02-2003, 05:42 PM

In a word: horrifying.

If this man was an Australian politician he would be laughed out of Parliament and beaten savagely in public.

We don't tolerate Fred Nile; we wouldn't tolerate George Bush.

Feather · 03-02-2003, 06:31 PM

Jesus Mythical Fucking Christ now I'm even more depressed.

LogicMage · 03-02-2003, 07:47 PM

*shudder*

Hypernovean · 03-02-2003, 10:41 PM

Anyone else notice how the wording of the poll on the side suggests that morality doesn't exist without god ("No. What's wrong with bringing morality to the White House?"). We mayaswell start calling the US a theocracy...

Toto · 03-03-2003, 12:52 AM

When did the president become theologian in chief?

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The president confidently (dare I say "religiously"?) asserts a worldview that most Christian denominations reject outright as heresy: the myth of redemptive violence, which posits a war between good and evil, with God on the side of good and Satan on the side of evil and the battle lines pretty clearly drawn.

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Despite our secularism, the United States has rarely been so publicly and politically "Christian" as it is today. Or perhaps it is because of our secularism. We can no longer tell good theology from bad. We mainline denominations need to take our share of the blame: For decades we took it for granted that Christianity and citizenship were inextricably linked, that American power was the natural outgrowth of American righteousness. For too long we, too, preached American triumphalism. We did not remind people of the overarching guidance God gives all people in search of redemption: the necessity of the examined life. Ironically, our triumphalism may have fueled America's secularism. With God on our side, there didn't seem to be much need for self-examination and humility.

It is clear now that a sectarian Christian view of history, a dualism that views war as a kind of redemptive purgative, is having at least some influence on the administration's rhetoric. It is characterized by a stark refusal to acknowledge accountability, because to suggest accountability is to question American purity, which would undermine the secular theology of "good versus evil" inherent in present U.S. policy.

BigBlue2 · 03-03-2003, 01:52 AM

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Originally posted by Evangelion
We don't tolerate Fred Nile;

Well, we do, but not as Prime Minister or in any other position of leadership.

Evangelion · 03-03-2003, 05:04 AM

OK, I was stretching it a bit, heheh.

daria · 03-03-2003, 05:14 AM

In general, I like my job, but if this place becomes a theocracy, I will resign my commission and leave the country.

I'm so disgusted by that article... ugh, I have nothing to say. I feel sick.

openeyes · 03-03-2003, 08:24 AM

I guess I knew all this stuff, but it is depressing having it all "wrapped up." Interesting how Bush "uses" religion to try to manipulate people into supporting him. Visits Bob Jones U. Later has an audience with the pope. Don't his "followers" see a contradiction?

And why doesn't it bother people more that Georgie really didn't get his personal life in order until he was almost 40? We women certainly can't wait that long.

Please, please tell me that the trend in recent polls will continue and GW's popularity will continue to decline, and he won't be re-elected!

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Evangelion Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Walsall, UK Posts: 1,490	In a word: horrifying. If this man was an Australian politician he would be laughed out of Parliament and beaten savagely in public. We don't tolerate Fred Nile; we wouldn't tolerate George Bush.

03-02-2003, 06:31 PM	#3
Feather Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Gainesville, FL Posts: 1,827	Jesus Mythical Fucking Christ now I'm even more depressed.

03-02-2003, 07:47 PM	#4
LogicMage Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Deep within the recesses of a twisted mind Posts: 74	shudder

03-02-2003, 10:41 PM	#5
Hypernovean Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: - Posts: 67	Anyone else notice how the wording of the poll on the side suggests that morality doesn't exist without god ("No. What's wrong with bringing morality to the White House?"). We mayaswell start calling the US a theocracy...

03-03-2003, 05:04 AM	#8
Evangelion Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Walsall, UK Posts: 1,490	OK, I was stretching it a bit, heheh.

03-03-2003, 05:14 AM	#9
daria Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: VA Posts: 146	In general, I like my job, but if this place becomes a theocracy, I will resign my commission and leave the country. I'm so disgusted by that article... ugh, I have nothing to say. I feel sick.

03-03-2003, 08:24 AM	#10
openeyes Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Minnesota Posts: 4,215	I guess I knew all this stuff, but it is depressing having it all "wrapped up." Interesting how Bush "uses" religion to try to manipulate people into supporting him. Visits Bob Jones U. Later has an audience with the pope. Don't his "followers" see a contradiction? And why doesn't it bother people more that Georgie really didn't get his personal life in order until he was almost 40? We women certainly can't wait that long. Please, please tell me that the trend in recent polls will continue and GW's popularity will continue to decline, and he won't be re-elected!

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