jolene555

now if you want to see me show the error of your ways i can break into full salvation mode. kidding. uptight . . . maybe. my faith is simply something i am passionate about, simple as that. and yes i do have a life, but my free time between classes lends itself to this sort of entertainment.

and as i mentioned i am new here . . . i did not realize the mass of athieism i would encounter. i thought it was an arguement for creation, and my first intent was to say that the origonal arguement was no good

-jo

simian

I don't think there have been many posts on atheism (at least since your initial post). The posts have been about biology and the way the bible is read.

Accepting that the bible is not literal truth does not mean you become an atheist.

The denominations that represent the vast majority of US Christians fully understand the univers is billions of years old and that humans do share a common ancestor with other species.

Simian

Principia

Fair enough, jolene. Then let me submit to you that you do not have to be so defensive when it comes to science. If you view it as a direct challenge to your faith, which I am quite sure you are passionate about, then it will always be a source of personal tension for you. And as a subjective matter, your close-mindedness will come at the expense of the knowledge that you can learn (freely). The Papacy as has already been pointed out, has found reconciliation between the biological theory of evolution and the Bible. Why can't you?

jolene555

forgive me, but i was trying to argue the extremist point of view. what fun is arguement if we can find middle ground?? i'll listen to evolution theroys all day, and sometimes it will make sence. i just believe what i believe, and at the end of the day that's still what makes sence to me. i love to argue, but not when some are insulting me personally

-jo

Principia

Nobody ever said that understanding was easy, jolene. And noone said that the important stuff was easy, either. We've been quite clear thus far, science does not have to be at odds with religion. But that means that you have to be willing to compromise. If you are here for the fun of being an extremist, then I can't help you. I can only say that you are missing out on a lot of glory (yes even interpreted religiously) that can be revealed to you through science.

ruby-soho

Welcome to the board, Jolene! I've been following this discussion throughout the morning. I just wanted to let you know that not all posters here are atheists (though many are). I, for one, am not. However, I find no problems in reconciling my Christian faith with science in general, and the Theory of Evolution in particular. As it has been pointed out to you, Young Earth Creationism is an untenable position from an empirical standpoint. Simply put, there is no empirical evidence which supports the idea the earth is anything less than billions of years old. Now does this mean all of us must go and throw our Bibles in the trash because Genesis is not literally true? Of course not.

Just my two cents,

D

rem

In other words, you're not really interested in truth. That's understandable... it's human nature to want to have your ears tickled. I know - I was raised a creationist and believed in creation until only a few years ago when I started doing honest research and started requiring evidence for belief.

Remember, a Mormon and a Moonie can make the exact same argument for their faith (it's just what they believe and it makes sense to them). That doesn't make their beliefs correct. Evidence is the key.

rem

Lobstrosity

I say this not to be mean but to simply help you grow as a person:

The word is THEORY. Otherwise, you're saying "The Roy."

jolene555

you're lucky that's all i didn't spell correctly

-jo

and rem . . . just because i am not searching for your truth dosen't mean i am not looking

rem

My truth? That's the whole issue. Why are you looking for a particular type of truth? Only when you decide to take an objective look at evidence can you arrive at truth.

Always look at the evidence. Without it, your 'truth' is no better than a Jehovah's Witness' truth. They both have the same amount of evidence supporting them: none.

rem