Volker.Doormann

Sorry, but your premise is wrong.

First. It is well known that the commandments claimed by the Jews as taken from God are taken from the Hammurabi code doormann.tripod.com/hammur.htm now filed in Paris , France. "If a man put out the eye of another man, his eye shall be put out. [ An eye for an eye ]" "If a man knock out the teeth of his equal, his teeth shall be knocked out. [ A tooth for a tooth ]".

Second. The story claimed by the Jews as the biography of Moses is a remake of the 'Legend of Sargon of Akkad' doormann.tripod.com/sargon01.htm. [Ancient Near Eastern Texts 119] "Sargon, the mighty king, king of Agade, am I. My mother was a changeling, my father I knew not. The brother(s) of my father loved the hills.
My city is Azupiranu, which is situated on the banks of the Euphrates. My changeling mother conceived me, in secret she bore me. She set me in a basket of rushes, with bitumen she sealed My lid. She cast me into the river which rose not (over) me, The river bore me up and carried me to Akki, the drawer of water. Akki, the drawer of water lifted me out as he dipped his e[w]er. Akki, the drawer of water, [took me] as his son (and) reared me. Akki, the drawer of water, appointed me as his gardener, While I was a gardener, Ishtar granted me (her) love, And for four and [ ... ] years I exercised kingship, The black-headed [people] I ruled, I gov[erned]; Mighty [moun]tains with chip-axes of bronze I conquered, The upper ranges I scaled, The lower ranges I [trav]ersed, The sea [lan]ds three times I circled. Dilmun my [hand] cap[tured], [To] the great Der I [went up], I [. . . ], [ . . . ] I altered and [. . .]. Whatever king may come up after me, [. . .] Let him r[ule, let him govern] the black-headed [peo]ple; [Let him conquer] mighty [mountains] with chip-axe[s of bronze], [Let] him scale the upper ranges, [Let him traverse the lower ranges], Let him circle the sea [lan]ds three times! [Dilmun let his hand capture], Let him go up [to] the great Der and [. . . ]! [. . .] from my city, Aga[de ... ] [. . . ] . . . [. . .].
(Remainder broken away.) " Source: From: George A. Barton, Archaeology and The Bible, 3rd Ed., (Philadelphia: American Sunday-School Union, 1920), p. 310. Scanned by: J. S. Arkenberg, Dept. of History, Cal. State Fullerton. Prof. Arkenberg has modernized the text.

From this it is obvious, that it is your mistake to take it for a fact, that the commandments are shell given from a god. Anyone of some reason would it not taken for certain, if Mr. George W. B. claims, that his war against terrorism he has got this as a command from a god.

I think it is necessary to distinguish precisely profane social claims from ethical teachings. Ethical teachings are never backlashed by threats; they are to be recognized as true from the conscious free self. Jews have mixed up in great those ethic and social power claims (as all Politicians in everey time have biased the truth), and it is well known since 2000 years, that Jesus has rejected these silly social claims.

Slavery. I have just written about slavery and religions.

Religion in general has no relation to the social world. It is a very individual thing of the own inner consciousness. Social claims 'powered by god' is the hoax to impress people by a artificial 'religious' authority and have nothing to do with religion; there is no difference between the claims of the Blues Brothers and the claims of the Pope.

There is one fact, that is true. It is the fact, that each being can learn, that he is locked in a physical body. The being can perceive this as slavery, because it seems, that there is no escape possible in this life. Exact this situation is the topic of religion, and it is thematized by some individuals (Jesus, Kabir, Socrates, Buddha). That always there are silly follower ('I have known him (and god) personally!'), who riding on a personal or god cult, trying to slave other beings should be more a reason, to discriminate silly secular power claims from the own reality of being locked in a physical body.

Volker

sophie

BrotherMan : The only people Israelites are not allowed to have as slaves are fellow Israelites. Everyone else is fair game.


Is this why they are GOD's choosen people?

Apathist

Are you an atheist plant, here to make theology look bad?

yguy

So they were run by slavemasters. How is that noteworthy?

yguy

What Paul is describing here is a situation where the slave serves the master willingly, not out of fear. Essentially it's no more slavery than working for Bill Gates when you look past the semantics.

sophie

yguy : Essentially it's no more slavery than working for Bill Gates when you look past the semantics.

But you cannot go work for Steve Jobs without paying a high price, neither can you take a day off, if only just to kick back and enjoy the beauty of your own handiwork or even the handiwork of the universe. As for going home after work to run your own life - forget about dat, Big Bill is there too.


Anyway I like the way you wrap the semantics up in slavewrap, not that this is a bit different from gift wrap, but if you get past the semantics, they are both wrap, a slave being a gift of your GOD.

So then once we assign GOD to the slaves, they can now work like GOD, six days on and one day off, except no light proferred.

yguy

Granted, but there are people who work at MS because they want to, not because they have to. They're not slaves in a pejorative sense. The rest are.

I suppose this is meant to be sarcastic, but beyond that it doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

Abel Stable

yguy- don't dodge and act like every reference the Bible makes of slavery refers to "voluntary" slaves. What of the times god told his people to attack cities and take the women and children as slaves? Passages have already been cited.

Also, why does god have to cater to the cultures of the time? I mean come on, he's god, why can't he say: "Quit the slavery, I don't like it! It is wrong & evil. Henceforth, there shall be no more slavery among my people...and you shall spread this message to all others."

Plus, your Bill Gates employment analogy is incorrect. Think about it for awhile. I guess you could toss the term "wage slave" around a bit...and I know some of us often feel like that in regards to our jobs...but I think that's because we've become distanced to the reality of slavery.

yguy

I answered this on the first page.

Slavery is endemic to the nature of fallen humanity. He might as well have forbade them from breathing.

Or we're just slaves in gilded cages. The test is whether you afraid to say what you think for fear of losing your job. If you are, you're a slave.

Abel Stable

Don't all the 10 Commandments forbid different sides of humanity's fallen nature? Murder is endemic to the nature of fallen humanity, so is adultery. So why cannot god forbid slavery? Does he like it, just not care, or some other reason? Part of his mysterious plan?
These are two very different types of slavery that we're talking about, and can hardly be compared. Frederick Douglass spins uncontrollably in his grave. Not to mention billions of other dead people.