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Scrambles · 04-23-2003, 12:21 PM

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I certainly agree with your opinion, but you seemed (to me, anyway) to be saying earlier that you wanted to put pressure on religious extremists to toe the line. What I am saying is that moderate and extreme right-wingers exist in every country, and the US is not exceptional in that respect. The question is how we deal with them. Earlier, you complained about the way in which Americans tolerated religious extremists. You implied that something ought to be done about them. The problem is that it's a two-way street. If you develop a means to suppress such people, then the same means can be used to suppress people like yourself. So you tolerate them out of self-interest.

I was merely saying that america must be more religious than other countries and that, given that fundies have so much influence, must have a general religious level closer to fundyism than other countries. If america wasn't so religious then the fundies wouldn't have much influence. I don't think you should pound them into submission. I'm not advocating anything, just making an observation.

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You consider Bush, a protestant Methodist, to be a fundamentalist, but Methodists are not normally associated with fundamentalists. Baptists tend to be associated with fundamentalism, and Jimmy Carter, Al Gore, and Bill Clinton were Baptists. (Carter was a self-described "born again" Christian.) But those guys weren't fundamentalists.

I'm using "fundy" as a synonym of "extremely religious".

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I doubt that this kind of religious diversity exists in New Zealand

You have only listed different flavours of christianity and you are saying that is religious diversity!! WTF?? You can't be serious. If I eat ten different flavours of Ice cream every day is that a balanced diet??

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New Zealand is not free of fundamentalists because it had mounted a strong anti-fundamentalism campaign.

WHAT??

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It never experienced anything like the waves of immigrations that we have.

So??

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Koiyotnik · 04-23-2003, 12:49 PM

(hushed commentator's whisper)

And so, falling back into its unobtrusive role, Canada fades away from the target of the topic and assumes the role of the observer...

Evangelion · 04-23-2003, 02:02 PM

Go Canada!

beyelzu · 04-23-2003, 02:34 PM

I dislike oreilly for personal reasons. I find that people assume that I am a dipshit like he is when I tell them that I am conservative.

I do sometimes find him amusing, but his style is too offensive for me to watch him regularly.

I dislike people who are conservative without reasons as much as I dislike people who are liberal for no reason.

copernicus · 04-23-2003, 06:10 PM

Scrambles and Evangelion, it's probably not a good idea for us to continue to debate the alleged dominance of fundamentalism in American culture or the comparison of US and Australian or New Zealand cultures in this thread on O'Reilly's boycott proposal. Myself, I would go out of my way to buy Canadian products because of their stand on Iraq, and because O'Reilly advocates a boycott.

I'll open up another thread on the subject of fundamentalism in the US, and I'll try to respond to your posts there. You've raised some interesting issues, and it might be useful to draw others into the discussion under a proper thread title. Being short on time, it may take me a few days to set it up.

Gurdur · 04-23-2003, 06:14 PM

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Originally posted by copernicus
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I'll open up another thread on the subject of fundamentalism in the US, and I'll try to respond to your posts there. ...

Excellent !
Perhaps James Still should also be alerted, as also Don.

Thanks, Copernicus !

Evangelion · 04-24-2003, 08:32 AM

copernicus - thanks, I'll be there.

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04-23-2003, 12:49 PM	#62
Koiyotnik Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: St Catharines, ON, Canada Posts: 1,920	(hushed commentator's whisper) And so, falling back into its unobtrusive role, Canada fades away from the target of the topic and assumes the role of the observer...

04-23-2003, 02:02 PM	#63
Evangelion Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Walsall, UK Posts: 1,490	Go Canada!

04-23-2003, 02:34 PM	#64
beyelzu Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: the peach state ga I am a metaphysical naturalist Posts: 2,869	I dislike oreilly for personal reasons. I find that people assume that I am a dipshit like he is when I tell them that I am conservative. I do sometimes find him amusing, but his style is too offensive for me to watch him regularly. I dislike people who are conservative without reasons as much as I dislike people who are liberal for no reason.

04-23-2003, 06:10 PM	#65
copernicus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Bellevue, WA Posts: 1,531	Scrambles and Evangelion, it's probably not a good idea for us to continue to debate the alleged dominance of fundamentalism in American culture or the comparison of US and Australian or New Zealand cultures in this thread on O'Reilly's boycott proposal. Myself, I would go out of my way to buy Canadian products because of their stand on Iraq, and because O'Reilly advocates a boycott. I'll open up another thread on the subject of fundamentalism in the US, and I'll try to respond to your posts there. You've raised some interesting issues, and it might be useful to draw others into the discussion under a proper thread title. Being short on time, it may take me a few days to set it up.

04-24-2003, 08:32 AM	#67
Evangelion Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Walsall, UK Posts: 1,490	copernicus - thanks, I'll be there.

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