scigirl

Actually they don't let us post there. Christians are MEAN and NASTY on public forums (some of them).

That's pretty vague and ambiguous. Do you really think that predicting physics particles is what God had in mind when he inspired the bible? If he wanted us to understand quantum theory, why couldn't he be a bit more clear and succinct? Frankly, God (rather, the authors of the Bible) is a terrible scientific writer, and his works would get rejected in pretty much any scientific journal.

What does this tell you? The Bible is not a science text - never was, never will be.

I am still waiting for your detailed analysis of how a literal reading of genesis 1 explains the patterns of L1 sequences in modern-day primates, which I described
<a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=58&t=001492" target="_blank">here.</a>

scigirl

scigirl

Um you are forgetting one minor minor (ok MAJOR) detail - germs are evolving too. An analogy would be an arms race between the US and the USSR. Nobody really 'wins' those things, they just build bigger and smarter nukes.

scigirl

Mageth

Here's a bible passage that seems to be prescient in regards to particle physics and Im sure Max Planck would agree:

"The things which are seen are made of things which do not appear" (2 Cor 4:18)

What bible is that from?

2 Cor 4:18 from:

(KJV): While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen [are] temporal; but the things which are not seen [are] eternal.

(NAB): (17) For this momentary light affliction is producing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison,
(18) as we look not to what is seen but to what is unseen; for what is seen is transitory, but what is unseen is eternal...

(NIV): So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

(Young's Literal Translation): (16-18) 16 wherefore, we faint not, but if also our outward man doth decay, yet the inward is renewed day by day; 17 for the momentary light matter of our tribulation, more and more exceedingly an age-during weight of glory doth work out for us -- 18
we not looking to the things seen, but to the things not seen; for the things seen [are] temporary, but the things not seen [are] age-during.

(NRSV) 17 For this slight momentary affliction is preparing us for an eternal weight of glory beyond all measure, 18 because we look not at what can be seen but at what cannot be seen; for what can be seen is temporary, but what cannot be seen is eternal.

I don't see anything about particle physics, or any science, in any of those translations.

Cthulhu

I would, but I'm busy right now being perfect.

pz

Bogus. Totally bogus. I just looked up that bible passage, and it's talking about how christians possess faith in jesus, which is invisible. It is not a physics text discussing the physical nature of the universe.

It's not a prediction. Is this how you intend to support your beliefs, by quote-mining and distorting the words in your holy book?

scigirl

Ok maybe we got off on the wrong foot.

Welcome to infidels, and feel free to introduce yourself at our welcome forum, found <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=43" target="_blank">here</a>.

Funny you should mention atheists at christian forums. I used to participate at the baptist board (before they unilaterally banned all atheists). When I went there, my first post was an introduction - I told them who I was, a little about myself, that I was an atheist from infidels that wanted to learn about why people reject evolution. I did go in with preconceived ideas (as we all do), but I tried to put those aside and just talk to and learn from the members there. And guess what - for the most part, people were nice to me, and I learned a lot about Christians and hopefully they learned about me. (the admins on the other hand. . . well that's an entirely different story)

Anyway, you come to this board - you insult us right off the bat, you say we are immature, and then you expect us to be all nicey-nice? Give me a break! It doesn't seem to me that your intent is to have an intelligent conversation, or even a bad conversation. Your purpose seemed to be to piss us off, and congratulations you succeeded.

Now if you ARE actually interested in learning, and in teaching us what you know about evolution or creation, than I encourage you to read some of these threads before posting.

Why don't YOU take the time to read about us, and also, tell us about who you are?

I'll even help you with your education.

<a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=55&t=000020" target="_blank">Testimonies of atheists</a>

<a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=58&t=000368&p=" target="_blank">Credentials of various infidels</a>

<a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/" target="_blank">Talk Origins - a handy evolution resource</a>

You don't have to assume things about us - you can just ask!

Thanks,

scigirl (moderator hat back on - man it's no fun having to be nice and cute ALL the time - ok maybe it is )

Mageth

man it's no fun having to be nice and cute ALL the time

I'm sure enjoying it!

ps418

Except that little bit about the cosmos, the earth, and all life being created in a few days, which turned out to be bunk. But hey, you still have that impressive prescience of modern particle physics by Paul to gird your faith!

Ab_Normal

sciteach, a question for you: Your handle implies that you are a science teacher. If so, which level do you teach at?

Ought Naught

Actually, I would say that we "atheistic evolutionists" get the idea of historical constraint...in spades, even. You must admit that poor design is a devastating rebuttal to creation ex nihiloby a tri-omni god, though. And people who believe in said creation are generally the ones at which the poor design argument is leveled. In fact, poor design is an equally devastating rebuttal to anybody who holds to a goal-directed form of evolution (at least insofar as our present level of development is the proposed goal). I'm not sure if this type of evolution is your particular brand, GeoTheo.