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Liquidrage · 03-25-2003, 04:24 PM

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Originally posted by LadyShea
Yes, but if our homeland was invaded, even for justified reasons, would you just lay down and let them kill your children and destroy your home or would you pick up a gun.

You expect the Iraqi people to do just what exactly against an invading force? They tried rising up against Saddam in GWI and we promised to support that effort then left 'em out to hang...I would be a little gun shy about trusting America

That is a great point and I would consider that a big reason why we aren't seeing the uprising we expected.

The quotes I've seen from villages say as much.
And in many cases I've seen reports that the US military enters a town to get cheered only to leave shortly after arrival. Iraqi loyalists come in and kill civilians to scare them.

I think the US needs to get their ass in gear and get the aide into towns and villages.

But here's the problem I see. If they stay in towns, they are "occupying them". If they just leave, they are going to get civilians killed.

In this case I would hope they would say "public opinion be damned, we'll stay if we have too" and worry more about protecting people then saving face.

Moss · 03-25-2003, 04:47 PM

a link for the pictures :

http://www.honaweb.com/bush/

[Moderator--Link fixed]

Primordial Groove · 03-25-2003, 04:51 PM

your links suck, Moss.

Zar · 03-25-2003, 06:19 PM

This is terrible, but when is Donald Rumsfeld going to tell domestic media to stop showing these, lest they "violate the Geneva convention" also? I've repeatedly seen these images paraded on American television, so as far as I'm concerned, al Jazeera is off the hook.

I think there is some value in seeing the consequences of war, but enough is enough. As usual, the media turns hypocrite and becomes morally inverted.

Liquidrage · 03-25-2003, 06:39 PM

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Originally posted by Zar
This is terrible, but when is Donald Rumsfeld going to tell domestic media to stop showing these, lest they "violate the Geneva convention" also? I've repeatedly seen these images paraded on American television, so as far as I'm concerned, al Jazeera is off the hook.

I think there is some value in seeing the consequences of war, but enough is enough. As usual, the media turns hypocrite and becomes morally inverted.

Where have you seen the interviews on American Television?

Releasing the pictures isn't against the Geneva convention, nor did the pentagon say it was.

Gurdur · 03-25-2003, 11:00 PM

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Originally posted by LadyShea

I am more horrifed by the pictures of dead Iraqi children and civilians. Soldiers choose to take the risk of dying in battle, children have no such choice.

Originally posted by 99Percent

No, but the parents of these children had a choice - to face the oppression of the brutal tyrannical Saddam regime instead of having more children born into it.

The cost of liberty is the willingness to fight and die for it. If you are complacent and a coward you will have to face the consequences of death, whether yours of your children's, under brutal conditions.

99%, are you saying that it is perfectly acceptable to commit violence against children because their parents made choices you do not agree with ?
Because that's exactly how it sounds.

And your argument is nothing more in the end than an apology for terrorism.

Let's take your "logic" further:
Back when the USA admin was applauding Pinochet's takeover of Chile, would it have been perfectly OK for Chilean terrorists to target American children --- or just accidentally kill them as collateral damage --- because their parents brought children into the world in a system that was at a few removes supporting a very oppresive system elsewhere ?

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03-25-2003, 04:47 PM	#12
Moss New Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: middle of no where Posts: 4	a link for the pictures : http://www.honaweb.com/bush/ [Moderator--Link fixed]

03-25-2003, 04:51 PM	#13
Primordial Groove Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 1,570	your links suck, Moss.

03-25-2003, 06:19 PM	#14
Zar Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Chicago, IL USA Posts: 3,477	This is terrible, but when is Donald Rumsfeld going to tell domestic media to stop showing these, lest they "violate the Geneva convention" also? I've repeatedly seen these images paraded on American television, so as far as I'm concerned, al Jazeera is off the hook. I think there is some value in seeing the consequences of war, but enough is enough. As usual, the media turns hypocrite and becomes morally inverted.

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