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3DChizl · 08-27-2002, 05:12 AM

<a href="http://www.nymasons.org/skelton.html" target="_blank">http://www.nymasons.org/skelton.html</a>

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Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country and two words have been added to the Pledge of Allegiance, "UNDER GOD".

Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said , "THAT'S A PRAYER" and that would be eliminated from schools, too?

Brother RED SKELTON

Wyz_sub10 · 08-27-2002, 05:28 AM

There's an interested piece on this here:

<a href="http://www.snopes2.com/" target="_blank">http://www.snopes2.com/</a>

(go to search, use words 'pledge' 'skelton')

One of the best sites on the net, IMHO.

theyeti · 08-27-2002, 08:09 AM

I've actually heard the original, from one of the above records. It's rather sappy and boring. Are pro-God-in-the-pledge people really using this to score points for their side? I mean, a guy who dressed like a clown is not exactly the best person to ask about Constitutional issues. Besides, even he recognized the potential for Consitutional conflict.

theyeti

simian · 08-27-2002, 08:19 AM

Why not? There were plenty of clowns on the TV spouting off after the Pledge decision.....

Simian

Feather · 08-27-2002, 08:50 AM

Zing!

Score one for Simian.

3DChizl · 08-27-2002, 09:15 AM

I found that because I was looking into freemasonry - my dad was a Mason and I never asked him about it. Anyhow, I was more interested in the fact that Skelton recognized the constitutional issue and was "pushing" the older version in his story.

[ August 27, 2002: Message edited by: 3DChizl ]</p>

Toto · 08-27-2002, 10:59 AM

Go directly to the Snopes site here:

<a href="http://www.snopes.com/glurge/skelton.htm" target="_blank">http://www.snopes.com/glurge/skelton.htm</a>

Nikolai · 08-29-2002, 11:48 PM

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I found that because I was looking into freemasonry - my dad was a Mason and I never asked him about it.

Were u looking into it before u became an atheist? From what ive read it is exclusevely for theists.

BigJim · 08-30-2002, 02:57 AM

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Originally posted by theyeti:
<strong>[IMG]Are pro-God-in-the-pledge people really using this to score points for their side? I mean, a guy who dressed like a clown is not exactly the best person to ask about Constitutional issues. Besides, even he recognized the potential for Consitutional conflict.

theyeti</strong>

Yes. There was a guy at work (summer intern, gone back to school now) who had Red's analysis of the Pledge posted in his cube. I never really talked to him, but I'm guessing fundy-to-the-hilt.

Interestingly, there's also a Jewish guy who was explaining that they have 4 (or 5?) seperate sets of dishes. One set for meat, one set for dairy. Two more sets that are only used at passover. I'm the ony one that knew the applicable commandment. And no, I don't know why his family follows that one, but not the silly ones about cutting hair and wearing clothes made of different colors.

3DChizl · 08-30-2002, 06:09 AM

Nikolai - I have been a nonbeliever for 20 years, my father died several years ago and my grandmother died last spring. I was going through some of my grandmothers things and started thinking about dad. I am not sure why, but it came up in conversation with mom and she told me that he was unhappy with the way something was going in it. I am pretty sure he still wore his masonic ring, though.

Anyway, I was researching Zorosteranism for a post at SAB and came across some masonic references. I found that "no atheist has ever been a mason" but they seem to take their interest to pre-christianity. There seem to be some conflicting views, but I tend to think thair idea of a creator is a deist type thing that they claim has been going on since ancient times.

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08-27-2002, 05:28 AM	#2
Wyz_sub10 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the land of two boys and no sleep. Posts: 9,890	There's an interested piece on this here: <a href="http://www.snopes2.com/" target="_blank">http://www.snopes2.com/</a> (go to search, use words 'pledge' 'skelton') One of the best sites on the net, IMHO.

08-27-2002, 08:09 AM	#3
theyeti Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Denver, CO, USA Posts: 9,747	I've actually heard the original, from one of the above records. It's rather sappy and boring. Are pro-God-in-the-pledge people really using this to score points for their side? I mean, a guy who dressed like a clown is not exactly the best person to ask about Constitutional issues. Besides, even he recognized the potential for Consitutional conflict. theyeti

08-27-2002, 08:19 AM	#4
simian Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: St. Louis, MO area Posts: 1,924	Why not? There were plenty of clowns on the TV spouting off after the Pledge decision..... Simian

08-27-2002, 08:50 AM	#5
Feather Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Gainesville, FL Posts: 1,827	Zing! Score one for Simian.

08-27-2002, 09:15 AM	#6
3DChizl Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: West Virginia Posts: 160	I found that because I was looking into freemasonry - my dad was a Mason and I never asked him about it. Anyhow, I was more interested in the fact that Skelton recognized the constitutional issue and was "pushing" the older version in his story. [ August 27, 2002: Message edited by: 3DChizl ]</p>

08-27-2002, 10:59 AM	#7
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	Go directly to the Snopes site here: <a href="http://www.snopes.com/glurge/skelton.htm" target="_blank">http://www.snopes.com/glurge/skelton.htm</a>

08-30-2002, 06:09 AM	#10
3DChizl Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: West Virginia Posts: 160	Nikolai - I have been a nonbeliever for 20 years, my father died several years ago and my grandmother died last spring. I was going through some of my grandmothers things and started thinking about dad. I am not sure why, but it came up in conversation with mom and she told me that he was unhappy with the way something was going in it. I am pretty sure he still wore his masonic ring, though. Anyway, I was researching Zorosteranism for a post at SAB and came across some masonic references. I found that "no atheist has ever been a mason" but they seem to take their interest to pre-christianity. There seem to be some conflicting views, but I tend to think thair idea of a creator is a deist type thing that they claim has been going on since ancient times.

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