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Answerer · 03-30-2002, 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by leonarde:
Answerer,
No, I'm a Roman Catholic (RC), not an atheist.
I guess we are a minority on this board: I have
only been participating here 1 to 2 weeks. From
what I have seen there are at least 2 other active
members who are Roman Catholics here: Donnerkeil
and (?)Cipriani.
I wouldn't hold any rudeness against the atheists here: there are plenty of rude believers
too and I frequently think that rudeness is just
impetuousness at work. There are some VERY polite
atheists on this board too!
Cheers!

Well sorry to tell you that I'm not a christian but I don't hate the christians, so don't worry. However, I was quite skeptic about their beliefs. Well, now, I can't expect much from those 'rude' atheists, if they enjoy being this way, so be it.

Viti · 03-30-2002, 03:20 AM

Answerer...I was not rude, and I gave you a reasonable explanation for sun miracles and a link to ponder. Could you possibly address it?

bob_the_god · 03-30-2002, 03:51 AM

Miracles is the great thing about the Catholic Church, the Pope controls peoples morals, Sundays etc and now he wants to control their holidays!, by going on pilgrimage

Celsus · 03-30-2002, 06:00 AM

Uhhh, in defense of Singaporeans (me), I have to side with Answerer on this one. Most people in Singapore do not have a strong command of English, especially written English. That said, a lot of things come off differently, and irony, wit and sarcasm are incredibly difficult to differentiate sometimes. If any of you have had to learn a foreign language and actively speak it, while still not fully grasping it, you'll know what I mean.

Secondly, because everyone in Singapore speaks a colloquial form of English, learning True English (tm) is very difficult, since everything learnt gets corrupted in everyday speach.

Answerer: Your English ok wan, lah. Mai bwei song. Atheists not all like that wan, know.

I still think you should have a look at LadyShea's links.

Edited to add:
There is also a discussion on miracles going on <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=50&t=000195" target="_blank">here</a>.

[ March 30, 2002: Message edited by: joejoejoe ]

Answerer · 03-30-2002, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyShea:
Answerer...I was not rude, and I gave you a reasonable explanation for sun miracles and a link to ponder. Could you possibly address it?

Sorry ladyshea, I was too carried away by other atheists here. Anyway, I saw the link already but is there other more convincing explanations than retinal damage causes by intense sunlight?

Answerer · 03-30-2002, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Answerer:


Sorry ladyshea, I was too carried away by other atheists here. Anyway, I had seen the link already but is there any other more convincing explanations than the 'retinal damage' that was caused by intense sunlight?

Answerer · 03-30-2002, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by joejoejoe:
Uhhh, in defense of Singaporeans (me), I have to side with Answerer on this one. Most people in Singapore do not have a strong command of English, especially written English. That said, a lot of things come off differently, and irony, wit and sarcasm are incredibly difficult to differentiate sometimes. If any of you have had to learn a foreign language and actively speak it, while still not fully grasping it, you'll know what I mean.

Secondly, because everyone in Singapore speaks a colloquial form of English, learning True English (tm) is very difficult, since everything learnt gets corrupted in everyday speach.

Answerer: Your English ok wan, lah. Mai bwei song. Atheists not all like that wan, know.

I still think you should have a look at LadyShea's links.

Edited to add:
There is also a discussion on miracles going on <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=50&t=000195" target="_blank">here</a>.

[ March 30, 2002: Message edited by: joejoejoe ]

Well, I understand that not all atheists are rude but some atheists here definately belong to the 'rude' catergory. Anyway, I was curious about one thing, are you, by any chance, a Singaporean? Well, you certainly speak like one, regardless, I wish to tell you that I don't enjoy speaking Singlish, I use chinese or English more often when communicating with my peers.
By the way, are you an atheist as well?

[ March 31, 2002: Message edited by: Answerer ]

Celsus · 03-31-2002, 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Answerer:
 Well, I understand that not all atheists are rude but some atheists here definately belong to the 'rude' catergory. Anyway, I was curious about one thing, are you, by any chance, a Singaporean? Well, you certainly speak like one, regardless, I wish to tell you that I don't enjoy speaking Singlish, I use chinese or English more often when communicating with my peers.
By the way, are you an atheist as well?
[ March 31, 2002: Message edited by: Answerer ]

Hi Answerer,

Last time I checked my passport, I was still a Singaporean.

Unfortunately or otherwise, I was born and grew up in Africa, now studying in the UK, and I only lived in Singapore for 10 years. I still think Singlish is the best thing going for Singaporean culture yet, but that seems to go against the ruling propaganda. (I don't actually speak any of our other languages, well - maybe just enough Bahasa and Hokkien to get through the army)

Anyway, lighten up a little, most of the "nationalism" you'll see is really just poking fun around and not being serious. The English are the worst for forgetting to put smileys where they ought to. Especially one unnamed nut from Middlesbro. The diversity is what makes this board great, and you are certainly contributing to it in no small way.

And yes, I'm an atheist.

Moderators: this is way off topic by now - better in MD?

kctan · 03-31-2002, 05:23 AM

Ah yes, complaining, that's one favourite passtime for Singaporeans.

When I'm not travelling to heaven to make sure god is really dead daily, I sort of live in Singapore too.

Anyway as far as miracles are concern, this non-virgin "virgin" mary seems to be getting quite alot of exposure & what with her role in the bible being so "significant" its more a case of a second fiddle trying for the major domo other then real miracles per se.

No questions what so ever regarding just how strange it is to see the non-virgin virgin rather then jebus himself ?

Whatever happened to him, got grounded by mum or still sorting out who's who with god the father & the holy hauntie ?

Or is the feminism movement also getting a priority in heaven such that its mother mary's turn to get some obeisance & jebus' turn to be the side kick ?

Sometimes, people will just do anything to make their place popular. Did anyone happened to mention that after those "miracles", those places really did progressed alot thanks to the influence of tourism ?

lpetrich · 03-31-2002, 06:17 AM

That Fatima Sun Miracle is a side effect of staring at the Sun -- our eyes try to avoid focusing on it, making it dance around. That's why large numbers of people had seen it -- they had all experienced the same phenomenon.

And that's why nobody else that day had seen it -- and those in nighttime areas did not see the stars wobble that day.

As to the touristic value of apparations and miracles, that is very true. And such miracles are not restricted to any one religion. Consider that there is is a sizable number of Islamic miracle objects that have Islamic slogans doodled on them in Arabic. At least to Muslims.

Related to this is relics, which have similar touristic value. The Shroud of Turin is only one of numerous medieval fake relics, which would sometimes be impossibly absurd.

[ March 31, 2002: Message edited by: lpetrich ]

03-30-2002, 06:00 AM	#24
Celsus Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Singapore Posts: 2,875	Uhhh, in defense of Singaporeans (me), I have to side with Answerer on this one. Most people in Singapore do not have a strong command of English, especially written English. That said, a lot of things come off differently, and irony, wit and sarcasm are incredibly difficult to differentiate sometimes. If any of you have had to learn a foreign language and actively speak it, while still not fully grasping it, you'll know what I mean. Secondly, because everyone in Singapore speaks a colloquial form of English, learning True English (tm) is very difficult, since everything learnt gets corrupted in everyday speach. Answerer: Your English ok wan, lah. Mai bwei song. Atheists not all like that wan, know. I still think you should have a look at LadyShea's links. Edited to add: There is also a discussion on miracles going on <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=50&t=000195" target="_blank">here</a>. [ March 30, 2002: Message edited by: joejoejoe ]</p>

03-31-2002, 06:17 AM	#30
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	That Fatima Sun Miracle is a side effect of staring at the Sun -- our eyes try to avoid focusing on it, making it dance around. That's why large numbers of people had seen it -- they had all experienced the same phenomenon. And that's why nobody else that day had seen it -- and those in nighttime areas did not see the stars wobble that day. As to the touristic value of apparations and miracles, that is very true. And such miracles are not restricted to any one religion. Consider that there is is a sizable number of Islamic miracle objects that have Islamic slogans doodled on them in Arabic. At least to Muslims. Related to this is relics, which have similar touristic value. The Shroud of Turin is only one of numerous medieval fake relics, which would sometimes be impossibly absurd. [ March 31, 2002: Message edited by: lpetrich ]</p>

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03-30-2002, 03:20 AM	#22
Viti Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Down South Posts: 12,879	Answerer...I was not rude, and I gave you a reasonable explanation for sun miracles and a link to ponder. Could you possibly address it?

03-30-2002, 03:51 AM	#23
bob_the_god Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: London, England Posts: 10	Miracles is the great thing about the Catholic Church, the Pope controls peoples morals, Sundays etc and now he wants to control their holidays!, by going on pilgrimage

03-31-2002, 05:23 AM	#29
kctan Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Heaven, just assasinated god Posts: 578	Ah yes, complaining, that's one favourite passtime for Singaporeans. When I'm not travelling to heaven to make sure god is really dead daily, I sort of live in Singapore too. Anyway as far as miracles are concern, this non-virgin "virgin" mary seems to be getting quite alot of exposure & what with her role in the bible being so "significant" its more a case of a second fiddle trying for the major domo other then real miracles per se. No questions what so ever regarding just how strange it is to see the non-virgin virgin rather then jebus himself ? Whatever happened to him, got grounded by mum or still sorting out who's who with god the father & the holy hauntie ? Or is the feminism movement also getting a priority in heaven such that its mother mary's turn to get some obeisance & jebus' turn to be the side kick ? Sometimes, people will just do anything to make their place popular. Did anyone happened to mention that after those "miracles", those places really did progressed alot thanks to the influence of tourism ?

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