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Goliath,
Interestingly enough...it is you who must show that:

God would provide just as much evidence and assurance to those who reject Him as to those who seek Him.

Consider this: If God does exist and he does reward those who seek Him...your proposition is surely false.

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Hawkingfan,
What if God embraces those who want Him and grants evidence to those who truly seek?

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phlebas

Then we have a Catch-22. The evidence is available if I seek God. But I will only seek God if I have evidence. (You still haven't answered the question about those who do seek God and come away with nothing.)

I have looked for God, and found nothing. Many times. I'm willing to do it again if I have a reason to (at least, a reason better than some iteration of Pascal's Wager).

Presumably, God could provide that evidence, and many current non-believers would revise their worldviews. But, as yet, God seems uninterested in me finding him.

If I can only see evidence when I believe or have the right "seeking" attitude, then God missed his chance.

Psycho Economist

You moved the goal-post. First you said that submission to his domination was sufficient. Now you say we have to go through the motions of worship and belief (unless "seeking after him" means something totally different). But then you fall back to say, well, you have to be open to his existance, worship him.

So, we'll "see the evidence" when we've brainwashed ourselves into believing. Sheesh, I could have told you that...

But there's still a problem: in order to be evidence, it has to be as readily available to the non-believer as well. Anything less, and we can't rule out that what we're taking for evidence is simply a confirmation-biased reading of inconclusive information.

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Keith Russell,
So you would openly reject God...even if you knew he existed and who he was?


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phlebas,

This is a truly interesting response. I've got a meeting right now...but I'll be back in an hour or so.


SOMMS

Apikorus

SOMMS, what if Satan's greatness and superiority to God were only made apparent to those who seek Satan?

Amos

You mean "what if Satan's greatness and superiority to God were only made apparent to those who seek God?"

Psycho Economist

I'm pretty sure he does mean Satan.

<whisper>He's trying to set SOMMS's argument up to either be inconsistent [something more powerful than his God is demonstrable, but his god is not] or worthlessly generalizable [any deity is demonstrably extant, but only to those who truly believe in that deity]... Now just don't go telling SOMMS what's up. My own guess is that SOMMS will just reject the assumption that anything could be superior to his god, and ignore, evade or mischaracterize the question.</whisper>

(Silly greater than / less than)

[ November 01, 2002: Message edited by: Psycho Economist ]</p>

Hawkingfan

That's funny. I grew up in a Christian home (my father is still a deacon), was baptized into the Church of Christ at the age of 13, attended Northland Christian School while growing up in Houston, TX, served on the Bible Bowl team, preached sermons devoutly, prayed constantly, gave Christian fellowship, witnessed, but...since the age of 23 after a few years of pursuing knowledge, truth, reason, and realized that what I was doing was believing in nothing, and having my mind and thoughts controlled by other, and not seeing any outside evidence of a God existing, realized it was a bunch of hogwash and gobbledygook. I have serious doubts if I'll ever bow a knee again.