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Duvenoy · 11-29-2002, 10:03 AM

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It's unclear exactly how much "violence" we're talking about, but I imagine that much floodwater would probably disarticulate every organism it encountered. It's amazing we find any two bones that fit together. (Assuming, of course, that fossils found associated with others are, in fact, part of the same animal!)

I think that the violence would have been unprecedented almost since the very formation of the earth. Imagine the incredable amount of water, deposited world wide, required to cover a 29,000 foot mountain in only 40 days. Further, the weather patterns would have been badly disrupted, resulting in storms that would make a hurricane look like a pleasant, March kite-flying day. We can thank what ever powers that might be that it never happened.

Just my thoughts.

doov

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Deadbeat · 11-29-2002, 10:12 AM

Well, I would think that this could be easily refuted with a single question:

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would tend to bury bottom-dwelling sea creatures firs

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the more mobile, intelligent animals would tend to survive the Flood longest and be buried last

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People would cling to rafts, logs etc. until the very end and then tend to bloat and float and be scavenged by fish

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water plants would tend to be buried before land-based swamp plants

Okay, so in that confusion, all those "would tend to" modalities, all that violence and cataclysmic bullshit, NOT A SINGLE SOLITARY creature ran the wrong way, grabbed the wrong raft, picked up a piece of angiosperm pollen, or got caught in the middle of a herd of dinosaurs? Everything we find is as we would expect it to be arranged if evolution were true. Are we REALLY supposed to believe that it all organized itself so perfectly by chance?

Duvenoy · 11-29-2002, 06:03 PM

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Okay, so in that confusion, all those "would tend to" modalities, all that violence and cataclysmic bullshit, NOT A SINGLE SOLITARY creature ran the wrong way, grabbed the wrong raft, picked up a piece of angiosperm pollen, or got caught in the middle of a herd of dinosaurs? Everything we find is as we would expect it to be arranged if evolution were true. Are we REALLY supposed to believe that it all organized itself so perfectly by chance?

"We" are not, and therein lies the rub. They don't care about convincing us because we are in a minority. You see, unfortunatly, much of the general public is all but completely ignorant about science and these are the targets of both the YECs and IDers. Alas, they are easy targets. Witness the Cobb County, GA and Ohio school decisions.

I think that, at present, we may be losing the fight. We are not nearly as aggressive as the opposition.

doov

Claudia · 12-02-2002, 07:08 AM

Well, we do find sea-life fossils more recent than dinosaurs (I have seen quite a number of oyster or urchin fossils that were not so old0. But strange enough, they are not eth same that sea-life which is found older than dinosaurs. What a strange sorting!

+ This violent flood (violent enough to bring such a huge thickness of sediments) was quiet enough to preserve foot prints in the same thick sediments!

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Duvenoy · 12-02-2002, 09:45 AM

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+ This violent flood (violent enough to bring such a huge thickness of sediments) was quiet enough to preserve foot prints in the same thick sediments!

Yesss. Marvelous, is it not?

doov

Albion · 12-02-2002, 10:48 AM

Um, how do they explain layers of volcanic ash in the middle of all this chaos?

tgamble · 12-02-2002, 11:12 AM

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<strong>Um, how do they explain layers of volcanic ash in the middle of all this chaos?</strong>

The same way they explain everything else.

GOD DID IT!

Albion · 12-02-2002, 01:32 PM

Well, "God did it" is fine if it wasn't for their insistence that this stuff is scientifically sound. How could God have introduced layers of volcanic ash in between flood sediment layers without using miracles?

Duvenoy · 12-02-2002, 06:15 PM

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Well, "God did it" is fine if it wasn't for their insistence that this stuff is scientifically sound. How could God have introduced layers of volcanic ash in between flood sediment layers without using miracles?

Of course He used miracals! Lord Quetzacoatl is omnipetent, not stupid. No deity worth his halo is dumb enough plunge his hands into boiling water/molton lava.

He also has a great sense of humor.

doov

Albion · 12-02-2002, 06:25 PM

Well, that'd be an entertaining topic in science class, that's for sure!

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