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Old 04-03-2003, 12:33 PM   #11
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Sceintology's machines don't even do anything and look how successful they are. Think of the cash you could rake in if you had a machine that really induced a religious experience!
I would even buy a big pink wig and wear a truckload of make-up and false eyelashes! You must have bullet-proof hair.
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Guys, you need to think big. First, do it on a few impressionable people for free. Once you convince them you are a prophet, get them to spread the word. Open a church (or whatever) and make up some kind of ritual around the magnetic thingy. Don't charge money; guilt-trip the marks into giving you donations. You could make millions, and best of all you wouldn't have to pay taxes on it.
That's the idea. We start at state fairs and carnivals and such. We do it cheap, so we get lots of people. Of course, we have to pick the most susceptible among them at first. Not too hard at a state fair. But once we get going, the less susceptible will say they saw it just so they are in agreement with everyone else.

Then a radio show. Then TV. Then the big donations and the mansion.

That's the formula!
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Two Nobel laureates -- celebrating the 50th anniversary of the discovery of the structure of DNA -- took the opportunity to belittle belief and proclaim a cure for stupidity.
I love using Watson and Crick's atheism in arguments for those fundies who spout "well look at DNA, it's so complex, there MUST be a (insert deity of choice here)!"

I retort, If it's so obvious to you (who don't even really understand DNA), than why are the discoverers of the thing atheists?

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IIRC, both Michael Shermer and John Horgan described rather unprofound experiences with Persinger's TMS. Of course, I'd still try it if I could.



Unless someone at the fair is selling LSD for 5$ a hit
LSD is, in my humble opinion and experience, far less risky (for real effects obtained) than magnetic stimulation of the temporal lobes.

Stick with the dosage for an 8-hour trip.

Oddly enough, I too wanted to use a high-strength pulsating magnetic field to disrupt my left temporal lobe as part of my doctoral thesis (and then have language experiments on myself in an effort to find interesting effects), but they wouldn't let me.

Too dangerous, they said. Bastards.

There are other (plants) drugs which will enable "spiritual" experiences, but on the whole you're far better off with simple rigorous meditation exercises, which of course demand far more work, but are far more consistant, long-lasting and far less risky.

Of course, you run the risk of serotomania with meditation over long periods, but hey, life's hard anyway.
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No-one who want to have a real epileptic fit induced in them, pre-onset aura or no aura.
For $100 a pop, I'd have two a day. I'd like to have one last hit of acid, and just stare at the completely FULL screen WMP set on Battery: Randomization. With my two best friends of course. I'll bet all three of us would be grinning and saying nothing but "WOW".

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Oddly enough, I too wanted to use a high-strength pulsating magnetic field to disrupt my left temporal lobe as part of my doctoral thesis
Way cool , I didn't know you had a doctorate. Congratulations!
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Way cool , I didn't know you had a doctorate. Congratulations!
He has two, if you count the honorary PhD I bestowed on him after the metacrock/gurdur debate.



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He has two, if you count the honorary PhD I bestowed on him after the metacrock/gurdur debate.



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Oh, I remember that.
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He has two, if you count the honorary PhD I bestowed on him after the metacrock/gurdur debate.



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I'ld much rather be bestowed with the granter than the grant.
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but on the whole you're far better off with simple rigorous meditation exercises, which of course demand far more work, but are far more consistant, long-lasting and far less risky.


I tried meditation and it didn't work. I suppose I didn't try hard enough. I just wonder how hard is hard enough.
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I tried meditation and it didn't work. I suppose I didn't try hard enough. I just wonder how hard is hard enough. [/B]
Hard enough that the oxygen has difficulty getting to your brain. You might want to try doing those "controlled brething" exercises that take more oxygen to do than they actually get into your lungs.

Or you might just want to kill my idiot psychology teacher who thinks that having us all do meditation exercises will actually teach us anything about psychology.

Who gave that idiot a degree anyway? Stupid moron can't even read from the book right.
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