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Old 08-08-2002, 08:43 PM   #1
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I'd like to ask for some input from the physics buffs here. I've read an interesting book called Beyond Star Trek by Lawrence Krauss. In the book, Krauss refers to Richard Feynman's work regarding quantum vacuum fluctuations, where 2 particles (a proton and anti-proton) appear out of nothing and annihilate each other.

According to Feynman (through Krauss), this is what happens (pp.126-127):

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First, the uncertainty principle tells us that over very short distances and times, since we cannot measure the momentum of a particle exactly, there is nothing that stops it from traveling momentarily faster than the speed of light. But if it does so, then it must behave like it is traveling backward in time. But if it behaves like it is traveling back in time, then it must past by its former self traveling forward in time. If it then slows down and starts to travel forward in time again, it will pass its intermediate "backward-in-time" self. This means that if I start out with one particle, for a brief time three (almost) identical particles will coexist: (1) the original particle, (2) the original particle traveling back in time to get there, and (3) the original particle which, after traveling back in time, slows down and travels forward again.
Krauss goes on to say that the FTL backward-in-time proton has a negative electric charge (antiproton) and annihilates itself with a forward-in-time proton, leaving just one proton from the three.

Is Feynman pretty much on the money here? If so, this is really quite fascinating. In that case, tachyons (faster than light particles) are not mere science fiction anymore. Is antimatter essentially stuff that's going backward in time?
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Uh, that quote does not appear to have anything to do with quantum vaccuum fluctations.
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And tachyons are negative mass particles in addition to FTL.
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I think that the notion that some particles move backwards in time with a change in property makes a lot of sense. And, certainly Tachyons (faster than light particles by the definition I'm used to), a relevant to this notion.

I imagine that the oblique reference to vacuum fluxuations here is the notion that a single particle could give rise to three particles, two of which then disappear again, seemingly out of nothing, by moving forward and then backward in time.
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Krauss goes on to say that the FTL backward-in-time proton has a negative electric charge (antiproton) and annihilates itself with a forward-in-time proton, leaving just one proton from the three.
I must say that it sounds extremely unlikely. After all, it is the same proton three different times - if the backward-in-time proton annihilates the pre-backward-in-time proton or the post-backward-in-time proton the earlier the earlier proton will not be around to become the later proton to permit the annihilation.
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If tachyons do exist, our dear physicists and philosophers will have to rethink their law of causality again.
Anyway, guys, if I remember correctly, Casmir effect state that zero-point energy of the vaccum state has a value of infinite, but how is this possible?
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<strong>And tachyons are negative mass particles in addition to FTL.</strong>
Really? I thought they had imaginary mass (by imaginary I mean like the square root of negative one). But I could be wrong. I'm shockingly ignorant of physics created after 1930.
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You're talking about a vaccuum diagram.

Two particles, proton and antiproton appear out of nonwhere move forward in time and then merge to disappear. According to the diagram what happened was that the moment of collision created a particle which moves backward in time to initiate the creation of the proton and antiproton particles.

And yes, Friar Bellows, tachyons have imaginary mass not just negative mass.
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<strong>You're talking about a vaccuum diagram.</strong>
Aren't they also called Feynman diagrams? That Feynman dude was one smart cookie.
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<strong>You're talking about a vaccuum diagram.

Two particles, proton and antiproton appear out of nonwhere move forward in time and then merge to disappear. According to the diagram what happened was that the moment of collision created a particle which moves backward in time to initiate the creation of the proton and antiproton particles.

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Are you trying to say that the creation of the proton and anti-proton is a cyclic process?
Anyway, what was the particle that moved backwards in time?
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