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ksen · 10-20-2009, 09:11 AM

This one does.

Clivedurdle · 10-20-2009, 09:12 AM

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This one does.

Fully God Fully Man?

How is that historical?

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Chimera (mythology)
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Chimera on a red-figure Apulian plate, ca 350-340 BCE (Musée du Louvre)
In Greek mythology, the Chimera (Greek Χίμαιρα (Chímaira); Latin Chimaera) was a monstrous fire-breathing creature of Lycia in Asia Minor, composed of the parts of multiple animals: upon the body of a lioness with a tail that terminated in a snake's head, the head of a goat arose on her back at the center of her spine. The Chimera was one of the offspring of Typhon and Echidna and a sibling of such monsters as Cerberus and the Lernaean Hydra. The term chimera has also come to mean more generally, an impossible or foolish fantasy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_(mythology)

ksen · 10-20-2009, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ksen

This one does.

Fully God Fully Man?

Yes.

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How is that historical?

If that person really existed then how is he NOT historical?

Barefoot Bree · 10-20-2009, 09:32 AM

I hate to bring this up, but I think we're in need of some definitions here. "Historical" appears to have different meanings and attached connotations to different people in this thread.

Clivedurdle · 10-20-2009, 09:33 AM

Chimeras?

Ktotwf · 10-20-2009, 09:38 AM

No.

Christians believe in the Jesus created by a majority vote of Bishops.

Clivedurdle · 10-20-2009, 09:38 AM

http://thefelinespeaks.blogspot.com/...-mastadon.html

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Cyclops was a Mastadon
Let it be known that John is a genius and showed me this topic, even if all he had to do was watch the History Channel.

Myths have to come from somewhere. I always thought it was from dads making up nonsense just to watch their kids fall for it. Like the time Dad told me he could juggle and years later I found out it was with only 2 oranges. By the time he told me there were trains that ran underground in New York City, I knew he was pulling my leg.

In The First Fossil Hunters, Adrienne Mayor presents a theory that makes me believe humanity isn't all evil. She says myths are an honest mistake. Dinosaur bones just gave the ancients the wrong impression. Elephant and human skulls look practically the same, right? Here are a few examples; the links have funny pictures in case you don't know what a Samotherium is. Tsk. And you call yourself educated.

Cyclops: mastodon and mammoth bones, Greece and Italy. Elephants have only one gigantic eye socket in their skull.
Dragon: Sivatherium and Giraffokeryx (scroll down), China. They don't look very dragonny to me. Maybe they saw the skulls.
Griffins: Protoceratops in the Gobi Desert, along the trade route between Greece and China. Protoceratops are just too cute.
Monster of Troy : Samotherium (second illustration on the page), painted on a Grecian vase in 550 BCE. Oh, so you don't think it's impressive? The theory goes the skull's in the face of a cliff. They'd see only the skull with its teeth.

Also, Grecians used to house fossils in holy temples and say they were heroes or monsters, depending if it was scary or impressive I suppose. So I guess there is something to this theory. Take a look at scanned images from her book to show how the fossils line up with the myths.

And now you know what a Samotherium is.
POSTED BY KAT AT 3:09 PM
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show_no_mercy · 10-20-2009, 10:05 AM

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Fully God Fully Man?

Yes.

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How is that historical?

If that person really existed then how is he NOT historical?

It's a non-sequitur to state that just because a person named "Jesus" who Christianity came from was walking around 2,000 years ago means that he was god on Earth. No less spurious than me stating that since Mars is the 4th planet from the sun, aliens will enslave mankind in 10 minutes.

aa5874 · 10-20-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ksen

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Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

Fully God Fully Man?

Yes.

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How is that historical?

If that person really existed then how is he NOT historical?

Well, please explain the historicity of Marcion's Phantom Jesus. This Phantom Jesus was in Capernaum in the reign of Tiberius.

Visually, there should be no difference between a God that is human and a God that appears human.

ksen · 10-20-2009, 12:33 PM

I love how when a simple question is asked and a simple is answer is given that people try to pounce on the answer giver with basically, "Oh yeah? Well what about . . . ?"

The OP asked if Christians believed in a historical Jesus. By that I took it to mean do Christians believe that the Jesus described in the Bible really existed and walked the earth at some point in the past?

My answer to that is that at least this Christian does believe it.

Any derails about Chimeras or Phantom Jesus really have nothing to do with the question and my answer.

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Barefoot Bree Contributor Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: East of ginger trees Posts: 12,637	I hate to bring this up, but I think we're in need of some definitions here. "Historical" appears to have different meanings and attached connotations to different people in this thread.

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Clivedurdle Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 16,024	Chimeras?

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Ktotwf Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,936	No. Christians believe in the Jesus created by a majority vote of Bishops.

10-20-2009, 12:33 PM	#30
ksen Contributor Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 15,946	I love how when a simple question is asked and a simple is answer is given that people try to pounce on the answer giver with basically, "Oh yeah? Well what about . . . ?" The OP asked if Christians believed in a historical Jesus. By that I took it to mean do Christians believe that the Jesus described in the Bible really existed and walked the earth at some point in the past? My answer to that is that at least this Christian does believe it. Any derails about Chimeras or Phantom Jesus really have nothing to do with the question and my answer.

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