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Old 11-26-2005, 02:31 PM   #71
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Actually my GPA in the Bible,theology and ministry courses was by far above a 3.x. My verall was only 3.07 primarly because of my last semester. But previous to this I had a 3.21.
Not impressive...not at all.

You have spent quite a bit of time boasting of your skills and education, but we have seen no indication--not here and not in Usenet.
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Old 11-26-2005, 03:10 PM   #72
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((((Bible John)))))

I'm sorry you failed so miserably. That's gotta hurt.

Has anyone ever told you that you're really SEXY whenever you get all preachy and self-righteous? Okay, maybe it's never happened and maybe it's unlikely that it ever WILL happen, but it could happen if you believe in miracles. Pigs might fly. There might be world peace. And Jesus might have been resurrected from the dead. So, hang in there!

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2 Corinthians 4:4 (New International Version)
4The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
You do realize that was written approximately 2000 years ago, right? When it's talking about "the god of this age," wouldn't that be the god of 2000 years ago and not today, in the 21st century? Do you actually think about what you're quoting whenever you prooftext?

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I admit I should have mentioned that I needed more time in this debate.
Or maybe there's just NOT enough time in the world for you to be prepared?

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Me and Jason are ministers of the word and this is just one place that we will preach the word.
That should be "Jason and I." Don't forget that it's a sin to use improper grammar!

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But I will also add that sicne you are not saved, you cannot see homosexuality as a saved person would.
As a heterosexual Bible thumper, you don't really know what you're talking about when you're discussing homosexuality. That's why you confused homosexuality with bestiality.

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Yes I needed more time as I am having some personnel issues at the moment.
Are you having problems with your employment or did you mean personal issues?

Since you LOVE quoting Bible verses, here are a couple that you might consider:

Matthew 7:3 "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

Romans 2:1 "You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2 Now we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3 So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment? 4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?"

Let me give you a little bit of unsolicited advice: If you ever want to convince an "unbeliever" that your religion has validity and want to convert them to belief, you might want to drop the smug superiority and nasty condescension about people who don't believe. It's that self-righteousness that Jesus often spoke against and what turns a lot of people off. Sure, you're receiving a lot of snarky responses here, but your very first post was full of insults toward people who don't believe as you do.
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Old 11-26-2005, 05:35 PM   #73
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It's unfortunate that we won't get to see him actually address Pervy's points.
Instead of stepping on the guy who fell down, why not engage someone who actually did address Pervy's points (I thought that's what this thread was for, after all). The debater drops out, and, despite his drive to make excuses and say some pretty silly things, the lot of you speak fecetiously about how you're sad that the argument won't proceed. Spare us. Deal with the points raised in this thread already, or don't bother posting. There is a discussion going on here.

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Conveniently, I am saved, so I necessarily see homosexuality as a saved person would. In fact, I see it as one sees it when putting on the mind of Christ, which is to say, without condemnation, for there is no condemnation for them who are in Christ.
The majoroity of people in these boards are not saved and also post in Usenet newsgroups, one of which is a group called free.christians where Jason once led, but after he departed I took over as the main bible teacher there. It has been 2 weeks since I left, and the group is lacking a bible teacher, or someone that can preach or teach every week.

So sorry I thought you were one of these Hate Filled posters from Usenet.


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Old 11-26-2005, 06:04 PM   #75
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Not impressive...not at all.

You have spent quite a bit of time boasting of your skills and education, but we have seen no indication--not here and not in Usenet.

He and she who has ears let them hear!
He and she who has eyes let them see!
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Instead of stepping on the guy who fell down, why not engage someone who actually did address Pervy's points (I thought that's what this thread was for, after all). The debater drops out, and, despite his drive to make excuses and say some pretty silly things, the lot of you speak fecetiously about how you're sad that the argument won't proceed. Spare us. Deal with the points raised in this thread already, or don't bother posting. There is a discussion going on here.

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I am sorry and would have addressed his points if we had agreed to a two week time frame in between statements. This is my fault and if Pevry's wants to debate again with this time frame in state I will gladly address and debunk all his points.

Yes I have a Greek Interlinear Bible, Vines, Strongs and would have debunked what he said with the original text.

Have some grace will you? Its only my first debate.
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I would not like to insult Jason, but I would very much wish he would stop losing debates so completely, it is poor witness for the faith.
This was only my first debate. I lost because I underestimated the time frame that was set. I admit fault to this.

Posting here is not like posting in Usenet Newsgroups! Yes when I preached weekly on free.christians I never did as extensive of work as I am in these debates. My sermons and lessons were probably no more than 1000 words max.

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Message to Bible John: Why do you assume that the Bible speaks for God regarding homosexuality? Are you not aware that the book of Revelation admits that tampering with the texts is possible? You don't by any chance
have any practical arguments against homosexuality, do you?
Well we can debate or I can debate Pevry again with a 2 week time frame in place and I guarantee I'll debunk you.
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These Atheists hate me like they did Jason who preached before me!

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Instead of stepping on the guy who fell down, why not engage someone who actually did address Pervy's points (I thought that's what this thread was for, after all). The debater drops out, and, despite his drive to make excuses and say some pretty silly things, the lot of you speak fecetiously about how you're sad that the argument won't proceed. Spare us. Deal with the points raised in this thread already, or don't bother posting. There is a discussion going on here.

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The majoroity of people in these boards are not saved and also post in Usenet newsgroups, one of which is a group called free.christians where Jason once led...
Gastrich never "led" free.christians. By it's very nature under the free.* hierarchy, there is no "leader"--never has been...never will be.

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...but after he departed...
Correction..."after he ran" from the group.

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I took over as the main bible teacher there.
No, what you did was presume to be the "main bible teacher," but you were incapable of discussing even the most basic rebuttals to your "teachings."

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It has been 2 weeks since I left, and the group is lacking a
bible teacher...
There are one or two posting there that would beg to differ with you.

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...or someone that can preach or teach every week.
You departed the group because your credibility was utterly destroyed, in no small part due to your own indiscretions.

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So sorry I thought you were one of these Hate Filled posters from Usenet.
Asked and answered. No one from Usenet hates you.
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