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spin · 01-21-2008, 07:55 PM

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If the book is "sealed", then you cannot claim any fulfilled prophecy, or any mention of Alexander. After all, if it's sealed, then it's sealed.

10 seconds. That's all it takes to check your posts for obvious holes like that. Consider it a wise investment.

Thank you, you obviously have never read the book of daniel. There are many parts of Daniel which are waiting to be fulfilled. :wave:

We know you're a christian believer, who, unlike the Jewish reader for whom Daniel was written, thinks that Daniel is prophecy. What exactly makes you think it is prophecy? How do you establish when the book was written in order to support your claim of prophecy? Have you read any scholarly commentaries on Daniel (as scholarly commentaries tend to make the historical context very clear)? Obviously you have never read Daniel. You have merely been indoctrinated with christian error with its vain claim of knowing better than the original audience. Vanity comes before the fall.

spin

makerowner · 01-21-2008, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheshonq

If the book is "sealed", then you cannot claim any fulfilled prophecy, or any mention of Alexander. After all, if it's sealed, then it's sealed.

10 seconds. That's all it takes to check your posts for obvious holes like that. Consider it a wise investment.

Thank you, you obviously have never read the book of daniel. There are many parts of Daniel which are waiting to be fulfilled. :wave:

The stupid is strong with this one!
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When you obviously don't understand the book, how can you think it is a prophecy? ... ... Well, I guess it's because you don't understand it.

by claiming that Daniel was sealed, seemingly an excuse for your not understanding it. If it is sealed a) how can you know that it's a prophecy b) how can you know what any of the predictions are? c) how can you know if any of those predictions have been fulfilled?

makerowner · 01-21-2008, 07:57 PM

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The sealing was probably meant as an explanation of why no one had ever heard of the book which was supposedly written ~400 years before it actually was. "Look it says it's sealed till the time of the end, but it's unsealed now, so that must mean we're at the time of the end!" You do realize that "the time of the end" refers to Antiochus's desecration of the temple, right?

...Perhaps three and a half years before the end, a time two times and half a time, half a week of years, 2,300 mornings and evenings (ie 1150 days, ie 3.25 years), or was that 1290 days (3.6 years)?, or was that 1335 days (3.75 years)? (Adjustments were being made as it was written.)

spin

I guess that's where the fundies get all their waffling and equivocation from. If the word of God can do it, why can't it's apologists!

arnoldo · 01-21-2008, 08:07 PM

Regardless, you have just as much faith in your belief system as I do. Do you have 100% proof of the origin of man and the universe? How do you know your belief system is valid?

Sheshonq · 01-21-2008, 08:36 PM

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Regardless, you have just as much faith in your belief system as I do.

Throwing up your hands in desperation and saying "regardless" doesn't change anything. Your claim is still wrong.

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Do you have 100% proof of the origin of man and the universe?

1. What does that have to do with your claims about Israel and fulfilled prophecy? Why are you running and ducking from supporting those claims?

Oh, don't bother - we know why. You can't.

2. 100% proof is not necessary.

Sheshonq · 01-21-2008, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by arnoldo

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Originally Posted by Sheshonq

If the book is "sealed", then you cannot claim any fulfilled prophecy, or any mention of Alexander. After all, if it's sealed, then it's sealed.

10 seconds. That's all it takes to check your posts for obvious holes like that. Consider it a wise investment.

Thank you, you obviously have never read the book of daniel.

yes I have.

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There are many parts of Daniel which are waiting to be fulfilled. :wave:

Then explain why you tried to claim spin was wrong, because it was "sealed". Make up your mind, will you? :rolling:

Oh, I get it: when you are cornered and can't answer the question, then Daniel is 'sealed'.
But when you think you have a response, suddenly Daniel isn't sealed anymore.

BWYAHAHAHAHA!

Johnny Skeptic · 01-21-2008, 08:41 PM

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Regardless, you have just as much faith in your belief system as I do.

Which leads to what conclusion that is pertinent to the Tyre prophecy? Any deist can use your same argument against you.

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Do you have 100% proof of the origin of man and the universe?

Which leads to what conclusion that is pertinent to the Tyre prophecy? Any deist can use your same argument against you.

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How do you know your belief system is valid?

Which leads to what conclusion that is pertinent to the Tyre prophecy? Any deist can use your same argument against you.

By the way, I am an agnostic, not that it has anything to do with the Tyre prophecy. I told you that in case you think that I am an theist.

spin · 01-21-2008, 08:46 PM

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Regardless, you have just as much faith in your belief system as I do.

Wishful as ever.

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Do you have 100% proof of the origin of man and the universe?

Certainly not. You misunderstand science. If you want certainty, stick to religion. If you want understanding, then stick to science. Science gets things wrong and inaccurate, but it is continually getting less wrong and more accurate. Religion is still back with the world being created in six days and its creator resting on the seventh. The religion can't seem to change at all, otherwise it would not be 100% perfect. (Forgive the tautology.

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How do you know your belief system is valid?

I don't have a belief system.

Now, are you going to talk about Tyre or are you going to change the subject again?

spin

Johnny Skeptic · 01-21-2008, 08:46 PM

Message to arnoldo: Why didn't God tell Ezekiel about Alexander? If your answer is that Daniel mentioned Alexander, please quote your sources, book, chapter, and verse.

arnoldo · 01-21-2008, 10:02 PM

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Message to arnoldo: Why didn't God tell Ezekiel about Alexander? If your answer is that Daniel mentioned Alexander, please quote your sources, book, chapter, and verse.

Well you seem to believe that Abraham, Moses & Daniel is a myth. What makes you think Alexander isn't a myth also?

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arnoldo Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Latin America Posts: 4,066	Regardless, you have just as much faith in your belief system as I do. Do you have 100% proof of the origin of man and the universe? How do you know your belief system is valid?

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Johnny Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 19,796	Message to arnoldo: Why didn't God tell Ezekiel about Alexander? If your answer is that Daniel mentioned Alexander, please quote your sources, book, chapter, and verse.

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