FatherMithras

Hold on there buddy. You once again have failed to show anything about the consensus that supports your claims, whereas this thread has refuted your claims with the mainstrem view several times. You've shown nothing but hundred year old quotes and evangelists. If we're gonna be juvenile...

Pwnd

Richbee

What facts confuse you?



R. T. France, a British New Testament scholar, has written,

At the level of their literary and historical character we have good reason to treat the Gospels seriously as a source of information on the life and teaching of Jesus.... Indeed many ancient historians would count themselves fortunate to have four such responsible accounts [as the Gospels], written within a generation or two of the events, and preserved in such a wealth of early manuscript evidence. Beyond that point, the decision to accept the record they offer is likely to be influenced more by openness to a supernaturalist world view than by strictly historical considerations.

R. T. France, "The Gospels as Historical Sources for Jesus, the Founder of Christianity," Truth 1 (1985): 86.

Very good questions, but the Biblical record is excellent and both Peter and John were at the mock trial of Jesus, and as you point out Nicodemus.

Why would Pilate or any Roman care about the trial or execution of a Jew?

Richbee

Wow!

Hold on, I think I know you!

show_no_mercy

How could Mark, Matthew and John have written anything when they were illiterate fishermen??

Kosh

God moved the pen, they just, er, held it for him. :Cheeky:

jackrabbit

What facts do you have?

Richbee

There are five passages in the New Testament that claim to be historical accounts of what happened to Jesus, and these are:

Matthew 28:1-20
Mark 16:1-14
Luke 24:1-53
John 20:1-29
1 Corinthians 15:1-8

There is a complete resource - Hotlink: Resurrection Harmony - Resource for suggested Study

And, further to our conclusion:

The general consensus of modern scholarship accepts the following ten details as established historical facts:

1. Jesus died by crucifixion 2,000 years ago.

2. Jesus was then placed in a tomb.

3. A few days later, the tomb was found empty.

4. Soon after, the Apostles began testifying that Jesus had risen from the dead.

5. The Apostles really believed they had seen Jesus alive again.

6. Even opponents and skeptics of Christianity at the time claimed to have seen Jesus alive again, and their lives were transformed as a consequence.

7. Almost all of the Apostles eventually died for their testimony that they had seen the resurrected Jesus.

8. In the face of brutal persecution, the movement of Christianity grew beyond all reasonable expectation.

9. The belief that Jesus was physically raised from the dead was central and foundational to Christianity from the very beginning.

10. The corpse of Jesus has never been produced.

Resurrection Reasoning refutes Circular Bias from Unbelief or an unreasoned, illogical, and incoherent presumption or a priori position!

The apostle Paul once asked King Agrippa, Acts 26:8 “Why should any of you consider it incredible that God raises the dead?”

So, now, why quibble with the History here?

Professor Thomas Arnold, former chair of history at Oxford, and author of the famous volumes, History of Rome, was skillfully educated in the study of historical facts.

Professor Arnold, stated,

"I have been used for many years to study the histories of other times, and to examine and weigh the evidence of those who have written about them, and I know of no one fact in the history of mankind which is PROVED BY BETTER AND FULLER EVIDENCE of every sort, than the great sign which God has given us that Christ died and rose again from the dead."

JEST2ASK

Hello Richbee thank you for responding

I asked for Non-Biblical confirmation your reply suggests that there is none ...

Please produce any documentation that confirms any aspect of the trails(s) [sic: trials] from the views of the Jewish council (surely at some point there would have been one insider who had a change of heart after hearing of the resurection what about Nicodemus whom (Gospel) John has helping to take the body down and prepare it for burial

Other than the passing mention of Joseph of A. & Nicodemus in the gospels do their names ever appear again in a credible manner as part of the early church ... are there no valid writings or stories of either figure ...

Other than the biblical claim where Peter is in a courtyard ... who among the disciples or followers of Jesus witnessed the interrogations by Pilate (close enough to hear comments made by his wife) and Herod.

The Gospels display many Romans accepting if not the divinity of Jesus at least being in awe of him yet none of those so affected is mentioned again after the resurrection ... none figures even as a footnote in early church history ...

Not even as an unnamed former Centurion, Legionaire (who converted because of what they witnessed .. not because of later preaching).one would think that if Luke could write to the most excellant Theophilus, or name Cornellius .. there surely must have been at least one non-Jew who would appear in the record ... How about a single former Phairasee, or member of the council who was an actual witness to the pre- resurrected Jesus (this excludes Saul / Paul)...

Yet you wish me to accept that because it is the Biblical record it is a historical fact... and not a Biblical claim ...

ETA : I do recognize that because we do not have any such record it does not mean there were not such individuals but it does seem rather strange ...

aa5874

One simple way of showing that Jesus and His Father was fictitious, just remove the name Jesus from the new testament and put in any name of your choice and the absurdity of the book will be clear. Just fairy tales.

All belief in the Supernatural has been propagated with the support of political power. The lifespan of a religion is directly proportional to the violence of the same. Many innocent people have died so that 'Jesus' could live. Even his birth brought death to babies and what is most hideous, after causing the death of these children, it is claimed, 'For God so loved the World that He gave his only begotten Son......' No God could be so heartless. Those Gods are not real.

jackrabbit

I ask what facts you have and you give me claims? How many "historical accounts" have you ever seen containing supernatural events? Did Drake stop the sun so he could defeat the Spanish Armada?