mark9950

Since human sacrifice was forbidden for sin as I have seen from other treads by the hebrew God.

Why was he crucified?

He must not have broken any Roman Law because (I think it was herod) that washed his hands of Jesus situation and gave him to the people to crucify him.

godfry n. glad

I've got some initial responses:

1. If there was no Jesus, there was no crucifiction of Jesus.

2. If he was divine (...as if...), he was no mere human and the crucifiction cannot be considered to have been "human sacrifice".

3. The tales were written by Greeks, not Hebrews, so the guiding cultural paradigms were somewhat different.

4. What makes you think there is no human sacrifice in Hebrew tradition? It's my understanding that if God orders an action, you do it, no questions asked. And no pouting or simpering, even if its your son or daughter.

5. Marytrdom was a popular form of religious zealotry to the Jews of the time and place.

6. You're crimping poetic license and literary imagination with niggling details about guiding liturgical traditions and impedimentary dogma.

godfry n. glad

P.S. - It was Pontius Pilate, the Roman procurator, who reputedly washed his hands of the affair and ordered the Jesus of the gospels executed anyway. Herod was a half-jew puppet governor. The gospel Jesus died a Roman insurgent's death, not a Jewish death.

Doctor X

Indeed. We have pontificated on this on another thread here on sacrifice. I quote too much an article which mentions the OT human sacrifices and decided to get one of the references. It finally arrived, and here is the opening:

Jon D. Levenson. The Death and Resurrection of the Beloved Son: the Transformation of Child Sacrifice in Judaism and Christianity. New Haven: Yale University Press, 1993.

--J.D.

mark9950

This tread

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...threadid=59555

I couldnt think of his name at the time of my posting

godfry n. glad

Y'know, mark9950, I read that entire thread and not a single person provided you a scripture cite that explicitly prohibits human sacrifice and noted several instances in Genesis and the Judges 11 situation as examples of "God demanding a human sacrifice."

It seems clear to me that Hebrew tradition clearly supports the sacrifice of a human life if God demands it.

Now... Who speaks for God? That's the rub...



That's actually heartening. That someone could actually forget such a major player in the passion narrative....

godfry n. glad

Asha'man

He wasn’t.
However, the Gospels are quite clear that he broke Jewish law, and the Sanhedrin found him guilty of blasphemy. The punishment for blasphemy was death by stoning, with the body being hung from a tree as a warning. Somebody later got confused between hanging the body from a tree and crucifixion.

mark9950

So jesus definately was a fraud and a fake,I would have looked it up.

But I burned all of my copies of the bible up last week.

I think of what I know of the OT so far I would have had him crucified too.

I say I am glad that fraud was crucified he deserved it.I think he was gay too except that part was probably taken out by the early church.(If he even lived)

Another reason for crucifixion.I hate that character jesus.

Secular Pinoy

Well, book burning is totally antithetical with the spirit of freethought and open inquiry, even if the book in question is the Bible. Your rants and semi-coherent raves in this forum makes you look even worse than some of the fundies. You should seek help.

If you no longer have a printed copy of the bible, then download one from the internet. There are PDF copies of the bible, try googling. Or use an online bible search webpage, like The Bible Gateway.

mark9950

You should see my tread on why he deserved to be crucified.

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...threadid=60904

Rick Sumner

The Gospels are also quite clear that he was crucified. Why do you accept the account of the reason for execution, but dismiss the method of execution employed? The former is far easier to account for than the latter.

According to the Mishna, blaspheme occurred if, and only if, the name of God was uttered. That wasn't the charge issued against Jesus. He thus wasn't guilty of blaspheme. (San.7.6)

Regards,
Rick