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Old 12-30-2004, 03:26 PM   #1
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Default Requesting a “conservative� Christian response to this.

Seriously, what's your view:

http://www.jesusseminar.com/Periodic...er/easter.html
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Old 01-03-2005, 04:22 AM   #2
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Here’s your chance to “convert� me! Seriously, no “takers�, here??? :huh:
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I love playing diaboli advocatus but what you are asking is about as difficult as the almighty omnipotent creator, making up a story that even He couldn't swallow.
what a conundrum! :notworthy
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I love playing diaboli advocatus but what you are asking is about as difficult as the almighty omnipotent creator, making up a story that even He couldn't swallow.
what a conundrum! :notworthy
simply for a “believer� to answer Professor Sheehan’s analysis! Are there no "believers" on this board???? No one here can provide an answer, a rebuttal or even a response??? It is difficult to question Professor Sheehan's credentials:

http://www.jesusseminar.com/Fellows/...n/sheehan.html

Okay, play "diaboli advocatus" if you will! :devil3:
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Is there a conservative Christian on this board who is just willing to read Professor Sheehan’s article. You do not have to reply to it, just “take the challenge� and read it from beginning to end. Any takers?
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Old 01-05-2005, 06:12 AM   #6
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Hi Jehanne,

What do you like about this article? It is just standard Jesus Seminar stuff that chucks out all the evidence, makes some new stuff up and then tells a wishy-washy story around it.

He assumes against the Gospels, the disciples fled Jerusalem. He assumes against the Gospels, they didn't know where he was buried. He assumes, against the Gospels that the resurrection was all in the mind.

You don't have to believe what the Gospels say. But why should any Christian care about some professor who feels he can play fast and loose with the evidence and if all else fails just make it up?

So, the conservative Christian responce is just to shrug and wait for the next badly thought out revisionist article to come out...

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Â*Â* In any case, the New Testament does not in fact assert that Jesus came back to life on earth, or that he physically left his grave alive after he had died, nor does it maintain that faith in him is based on an empty tomb. What is more, almost forty years would pass after Jesus' death before the Christian Scriptures so much as mentioned an empty tomb (Mark 16:6, written around 70 c.e.), and it would take yet another ten to twenty years after that (ca. 80– 90 c.e.) before the Gospels of Matthew and Luke would claim that Jesus' followers had seen and touched his risen body.

If Christianity stands or falls with the resurrection, may we ask when Jesus was raised from the dead? The Scriptures make no attempt actually to date the resurrection to Easter Sunday morning, nor do they claim that anyone saw Jesus rise physically from the dead and exit the tomb. They do not even assert that the resurrection took place at Jesus' tomb. In fact, catechetical popularizations aside, Christianity does not claim that the resurrection was a historical event, a happening in space and time.
Bede, above are a few assertions that should be easy to disprove. Please do so!
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Hi Jehanne,

What do you like about this article? It is just standard Jesus Seminar stuff that chucks out all the evidence, makes some new stuff up and then tells a wishy-washy story around it.

He assumes against the Gospels, the disciples fled Jerusalem. He assumes against the Gospels, they didn't know where he was buried. He assumes, against the Gospels that the resurrection was all in the mind.

You don't have to believe what the Gospels say. But why should any Christian care about some professor who feels he can play fast and loose with the evidence and if all else fails just make it up?

So, the conservative Christian responce is just to shrug and wait for the next badly thought out revisionist article to come out...

Yours

Bede
Okay, great! Here's a list of "witnesses" who said that aliens landed at Roswell:

http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc394.htm
http://www.webfellows.com/tufop/roswell_witnesses.html
http://www.roswellfiles.com/Witnesses/ragsdale.htm

Okay, did aliens really land at Roswell? And, if not, which "event" do you believe is more likely, that Jesus really "rose" from the dead or that the Earth really was visited by extraterrestrials back in 1947? Or, are the Gospels more about "believing" for the sake of belief?
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Old 01-05-2005, 08:35 AM   #9
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Jehanne,

Oh, I see. It's bait and switch.

Look, would you like to discuss the article or not? If not, then please start a thread on Roswell and stop wasting my time. Your tactics are disingenuous.

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Jehanne,

Oh, I see. It's bait and switch.

Look, would you like to discuss the article or not? If not, then please start a thread on Roswell and stop wasting my time. Your tactics are disingenuous.

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I can say that I had sex with the Virgin Mary who came to my bed in corporeal form but would anyone here, yourself included, believe me? Okay, let's talk about the article. In earlier post, you used the word "evidence". Okay, define evidence.
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