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Old 09-25-2009, 09:45 AM   #1
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Default IBelieveInHymn digression split from How do we even know that there was a Jesus

The authors of the N.T were well known, and well respected historians. I don't see any reason why they would drift off into wonderland, and create this story about a Jewish Rabbi that performed miracles for sick and dying people.

I think it's sheer lunacy to discredit Jesus Christ as a historical figure.
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The authors of the N.T were well known, and well respected historians. I don't see any reason why they would drift off into wonderland, and create this story about a Jewish Rabbi that performed miracles for sick and dying people.
No, the authors of the NT were unknown religious apologists. Their audience was gullible people looking for supernatural reassurance of life after death. Of course many people at that time were unscientific in their analysis of human behaviour, even Josephus repeats miraculous hokum.
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The authors of the N.T were well known, and well respected historians. I don't see any reason why they would drift off into wonderland, and create this story about a Jewish Rabbi that performed miracles for sick and dying people.

I think it's sheer lunacy to discredit Jesus Christ as a historical figure.
Lunacy may have been considered a special gift from God in antiquity. There are some who think the Pauline writers were mad but in antiquity they may have been believed to be able to see THE UNSEEN, hear the INAUDIBLE and understand the INCOMPREHENSIBLE.

Surely the miraculous conception, miraculous transfiguration, resurrection and ascension of Jesus and witnessed by the disciples must be sheer lunacy except when you consider these events fiction.
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The authors of the N.T were well known, and well respected historians.
It's hard to take seriously claims like this, when there is absolutely zero outside documentation of them.

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I don't see any reason why they would drift off into wonderland, and create this story about a Jewish Rabbi that performed miracles for sick and dying people.
It's more like a story that grew in the telling.

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I think it's sheer lunacy to discredit Jesus Christ as a historical figure.
I disagree. Why not try to calculate his Lord Raglan score some time?
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The authors of the N.T were well known, and well respected historians. I don't see any reason why they would drift off into wonderland, and create this story about a Jewish Rabbi that performed miracles for sick and dying people.

I think it's sheer lunacy to discredit Jesus Christ as a historical figure.
Lunacy may have been considered a special gift from God in antiquity. There are some who think the Pauline writers were mad but in antiquity they may have been believed to be able to see THE UNSEEN, hear the INAUDIBLE and understand the INCOMPREHENSIBLE.

Surely the miraculous conception, miraculous transfiguration, resurrection and ascension of Jesus and witnessed by the disciples must be sheer lunacy except when you consider these events fiction.
Are you claiming events like the Ressurection, The Transfiguration, The Miraculous conception were the results from a shitzophrentic mind? If so, then why did these events stop? And also, why did only a chosen few witness these same events? How can a group of insane men witness the same events? Is there such an ancient drug that makes this possible?

If so, I would like to induce whatever they took. I want to witness a Ressurection of a Messiah, that would be frickin awesome!!!
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The authors of the N.T were well known, and well respected historians.
It's hard to take seriously claims like this, when there is absolutely zero outside documentation of them.
I guess you are not well informed about the ancient artifacts they discover everyday in Israel? Research it sometime. They find all sorts of evidence found from the O.T & N.T era.


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It's more like a story that grew in the telling.
It was told by eyewitnesses, and some second hand eye witnesses. Just like much of the stuff you read in current events. You know, it's funny, the majority of the world believes in what they read in the news, but they question the bible. :huh:
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Are you claiming events like the Ressurection, The Transfiguration, The Miraculous conception were the results from a shitzophrentic mind?
shitzophrentic?

Someone was definitely slinging some bullshit.
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I guess you are not well informed about the ancient artifacts they discover everyday in Israel? Research it sometime. They find all sorts of evidence found from the O.T & N.T era.
So the logic is, that since ancient Israel really did exist, therefor the Gospel writers were respected historians? :huh:
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IBIH, which archaeological finding(s) supports events mentioned in the Gospels?

(Consider that the historicity of Victorian London does not make Dr Watson a respected historian.)
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