Freethought & Rationalism ArchiveThe archives are read only. |
11-17-2007, 03:31 AM | #1 |
Contributor
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Falls Creek, Oz.
Posts: 11,192
|
Codex Theodosianus - English Translation?
Codex Theodosianus
Since earlier threads on this are inactive here we go again. There appears still to be no English translations of this fifth century codex on the net. It may be that the sensitive nature of issues recorded in this codex, edicts from the time of Constantine for 100 years, have not made pleasant reading. I have spent some time browsing around looking for English translations (which include Book 16) less than $100, but these appear rare. The Latin is freely available. If anyone finds an English translation (from any century) could they post some details here. Cursory Analysis by Legislation Date Out of interest I imported the Latin text of the entire 16 books of this codex into a database,and wrote a script based on the ("reasonably consistent") appearance of the date of each edict bracketted at the end of the Latin text, to extract the date and associate it with the book, chapter and verse, etc of the entire codex. Below I have copied the output for all edicts in the timeof Constantine. The full listing contains over 500 citations by date, and if anyone wants me to post it here, just say so. The Latin text is truncated here at 20 characters to simply provide an idea of the chronological sort. If anyone wants the full set with the full text sorted in this chronological order, message me with an email address, and I'll mail you an excel spreadsheet. Here are the 60 odd citations for Bullneck: Codex Reference / Legal Date / Latin Text (20 chrs) CTh.1.2.1 314 [?] dec. 30). Imp. Constantinus a. CTh.9.5.1pr. 314 [320-323] ian. 1). In servis quoque vel CTh.4.12.1pr 314 apr. 1). Imp. Constantinus a. CTh.12.10.1 314 ian. 30). Et quia nefas est ob CTh.13.4.1 314 mart. 19). Imp. Constantinus a. CTh.8.8.5 314 vel 315 [immo 313] nov. 8) Imp. Constantinus a. CTh.11.33.0. 315 [313] nov. 1). Idem a. ad Aelianum CTh.1.12.0. 315 [313] oct. 30). Imp. Constantinus a. CTh.9.39.0. 315 [316?] mart. 21). Idem a. Eumelio. Si CTh.6.35.0. 315 [319] iul. 27). Idem a. ad Proculum CTh.11.30.0. 315 iun. 17 [360 ian. 18]). Imp. Constantinus a. CTh.14.7.2 [ 315 sept. 18). Imp. Constantinus a. CTh.1.2.3 316 [immo 317/8] dec. 3). Idem a. Septimio Bas CTh.4.11.1 [ 316 dec. [?] 23). Idem a. ad. Vettium CTh.12.7.0. 316 ian. 30). Idem a. Mecilio Hila CTh.13.4.0. 319 [315] mai. 28). Idem a. Amabiliano p CTh.2.9.1 319 [352] mai. 12). Imp. Constantinus a. CTh.6.34.1 319 [immo 352] apr. 27). Idem a. ad Rufinum p CTh.4.16.1 319 dec. 26). Imp. Constantinus a. CTh.11.28.16 319 febr. 10). Idem a. profuturo pr CTh.7.20.12p 319 febr. 16). Imp. Constantinus a. CTh.11.39.13 319 iul. 1). Idem a. Patroclo. Nu CTh.10.18.0. 319 mai. 30). Idem a. ad provincia CTh.2.10.1 319 nov. 1). Imp. Constantinus a. CTh.2.10.2 319 nov. 1). Idem a. ad Antiochum CTh.7.20.2pr 320 [?] mart. 1). Filios quoque eorum CTh.8.15.6.1 320 ian. 31). Verum huius benefici CTh.9.3.1pr. 320 iun. 30). Illud etiam observab CTh.4.13.3 [ 321 aug. 1). Idem a. Menandro. Ru CTh.16.8.2 321 dec. 11). Idem a. decurionibus CTh.11.30.8p 321 ian. 12). Idem a. ad Maximum. CTh.4.13.2 [ 321 iul. 13). Idem a. Menandro. Un CTh.1.4.1 321/4 [321] sept. 28). Imp. Constantinus a. CTh.13.2.0. 321/4 aug. 1). Quoniam gravissimis CTh.3.32.1 322 [325?] Dec. 18). Imp. Constantinus a. CTh.11.27.0. 322 iul. 6). Idem a. Menandro. Pr CTh.7.10.1.2 323 apr. 28). Imp. Constantinus a. CTh.11.8.2 323 dec. 31). Imp. Constantinus a. CTh.11.15.2 323 mai. 21). Idem a. ad Ulpium Fl CTh.12.6.28 325 [?] mart. 6). Imp. Constantinus a. CTh.1.5.1 325 aug. 29). Imp. Constantinus a. CTh.7.20.3 325 iun. 17). Idem a. ad Maximum p CTh.7.20.1 325 iun. 17). Alares autem et coho CTh.2.10.3 325 mart. 30). Idem a. Helladio. Sa CTh.7.3.0. Q 325 oct. 19). Imp. Constantinus a. CTh.11.37.0. 325 sept. 17). Imp. Constantinus a. CTh.14.3.19 326 [324] apr. 11). Idem a. Lucrio Verin CTh.8.4.30.1 326 [339] febr. 15). Idem a. ad Acindynum CTh.7.22.2.2 326 iul. [mart.?] 30). Singularum autem civ CTh.9.19.4.1 326 iul. 6). Idem a. ad Tertullum CTh.8.5.0. D 326 iun. 22). Idem a. Menandro. Ce CTh.3.30.3 326 mart. 15). (326 mart. 15). CTh.3.30.3.6 326 mart. 15). ...vel curatore soll CTh.3.30.3.7 326 mart. 15). Animalia quoque supe CTh.1.5.2 327 [?] ian. 21). Idem a. ad Maximum p CTh.11.30.10 327 iul. 31). Idem a. Victori rati CTh.7.20.2.1 328 [?] dec. 29). Idem a. Maximo praef CTh.2.26.1 330 febr. 22). Imp. Constantinus a. CTh.3.30.4 331 aug. 1). Idem a. ad universos CTh.7.20.13 331 aug. 4). Idem a. ad Evagrium. CTh.1.16.6 331 nov. 1). Idem a. ad provincia CTh.4.12.4 [ 331 oct. 6). Idem a. Quaecumque m CTh.8.8.0. D 333 mai. 5). Idem a. ad Maximum p CTh.1.32.1 333 oct. nov.). Imp. Constantinus a. CTh.8.16.0. 334 mart. 30). Idem a. ad Severum c CTh.4.6.2 336 apr. 29). ...........ri fecit CTh.12.1.19 336 aug. 22). Idem a. ad Evagrium Best wishes, Pete Brown |
11-17-2007, 10:39 AM | #2 | |
Veteran Member
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: N/A
Posts: 4,370
|
Quote:
Anyone feeling brave? All the best, Roger Pearse |
|
11-17-2007, 03:23 PM | #3 | |
Contributor
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Falls Creek, Oz.
Posts: 11,192
|
The domain codextheodosianus.com has been
sitting around for 12 months. Although in searching I recall to have seen two English translations made in the 17th century, is it a fact there is one only English translation of this text surviving? NOTE: This reference from Britannica: Quote:
made at some point, aside from the one presently under copyright, since the 17th century. I am still wading through the Results 1 - 100 of about 42,900 for "Codex Theodosianus". (0.16 seconds) This image, from the Banana Benders Government site mentions an author/translator? - if I can read it right - Jacobi Gothofredi which appears to be the same one mentioned by Britannica. Is there some already extant summary of all the past English translations of this codex? Best wishes, Pete Brown |
|
11-17-2007, 03:51 PM | #4 | ||||
Veteran Member
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: N/A
Posts: 4,370
|
Like most people I hesitate to reply to this. But sources should be available online, IMHO, even if this accessibility is abused.
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
The one that I have seen -- a massive volume -- is The Theodosian Code and Novels and Sirmondian Constitutions. A translation with commentary, glossary and bibliographies by C. Pharr ... [et al.]. Series: Corpus of Roman Law ; 1. Princeton U.P., 1952. I see that it has been reprinted at least twice, recently in 2001. ISBN: 1584771461. 643 pages. All the best, Roger Pearse |
||||
11-17-2007, 04:26 PM | #5 | |
Contributor
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Los Angeles area
Posts: 40,549
|
Amazon has used copies (or via: amazon.co.uk) for $115 US.
Quote:
Selected Sources: the End of the Classical World (search on Theodosian Code) |
|
11-17-2007, 09:03 PM | #6 | |
Contributor
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Falls Creek, Oz.
Posts: 11,192
|
Bryn Mawr Classical Review 2001.02.27
John F. Matthews, Laying Down the Law. A Study of the Theodosian Code. Reviewed by Marietta Horster, University of Rostock Provides some background comments to the current situation. Gibbon seems to think there is more in this code than the general critic of his tome is prepared to actually research. From his "Quotations" ... Quote:
Pete Brown |
|
11-19-2007, 02:15 AM | #7 | ||
Veteran Member
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: N/A
Posts: 4,370
|
Quote:
A great writer of English literature, but far too busy paying back his father for sending him to live with a poor calvinist pastor in Switzerland after Gibbon declared that he had become a Roman Catholic. All the best, Roger Pearse |
||
11-19-2007, 06:51 PM | #8 | ||
Contributor
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Falls Creek, Oz.
Posts: 11,192
|
Quote:
Dear Roger, I will accept a position on Gibbon as defined by the Catholic Encyclopedia in its definition of the term Historical criticism: Quote:
Language - English (eng) Personal name - Gibbon, Edward Main title - The history of the decline and fall of the roman empire Remainder of title page - Edward Gibbon Place of publication - [S.l. Name of publisher - s.n.] Source Source: - The Vatican City State: "Index Librorum Prohibitorum, Anno 1946" General note - "Index Librorum Prohibitorum" was distributed to Catholic congregations around the world., Decr. 26 sept 1783 Censoring body - Censoring body: Roman Catholic Church Legal reference - Banned for religious reasons Period of censorship - 1783 Type of material - book Country - Holy See (8052) Reason for censorship - Religious Type of censorship - Banned Best wishes Pete Brown |
||
11-20-2007, 06:55 PM | #9 | |
Contributor
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Falls Creek, Oz.
Posts: 11,192
|
PRINCIPAL SOURCES
Editions and translations Codex Theodosianus • Aegidius. – Summae sive argumenta legum diversorum imperatorum.., Antwerpen, 1517. • Baudi di Vesme. – Corpus iuris Romani, II, Codex Theodosianus, Torino, 1839. • Cuiacius. – Lyon, 1566, 1593 ; Genève, 1586 ; Paris, 1586, 1607. • Gothofredus. – Codex Theodosianus, Lyon, 1665 ; Leipzig, 1736-45. • Haenel. – Codex Theodosianus : Ad LIV Librorum Manuscriptorum..., Bonn, 1837-42. • Haenel. – Novellae Constitutiones Imperatorum Theodosii II, Valentiniani III..., Bonn, 1844. • Haenel. – XVIII Constitutiones quas Iacobus Sirmondus..., Leipzig, 1844. • Krueger. – Codex Theodosianus, Berlin, 1923. • Magnou-Nortier et alii. – Le code de Théodose, livre XVI, et sa réception..., Paris, 2002. • Meyer, Mommsen. – Theodosiani libri XVI.., Berlin, 1905, 1954. • Pharr. – The Theodosian Code and Novels and the Sirmondian Constitution, Princeton, 1952. • Rougé et alii. – Les lois religieuses des empereurs romains.., I, Code Théodosien, Paris, 2005. • Sichardus. – Codicis Theodosiani libri XVI, Basel, 1528. • Sirmondus. – Appendix codicis theodosiani novis Constitutionibus cumulatior, Paris, 1631. • Tilius. – Paris, 1550. And in addition there are another two English translation works, the first deals with a treatment of the laws, and I have not any further data yet on the second, by Coster. There may be more. • 1905 - The Ecclesiastical Edicts Of The Theodosian Code B - William Kenneth Boyd (1879-1938) • 1935 - LATE ROMAN STUDIES - Charles Henry Coster From the William Kenneth Boyd work: Quote:
|
|
11-24-2007, 05:01 AM | #10 | ||
Contributor
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Falls Creek, Oz.
Posts: 11,192
|
Quote:
which appears to extract at least parts of Clyde Pharr butit is difficult to distinguish whether the author is also adding his own commentary. As an aside, has anyone looked at the vast amount of text reviewed and set out at www.christianism.com? The main index page states: Bible ----- (Old Testament. New Testament.) (was) is Fiction ("historical Fiction", etc.). Jesus ---- (was) is a Fictional character (not "historical"). Paul ----- (was) is a Fictional character. Etc The author may be one Rt. Rev. Lino Sanchez D.D. Best wishes, Pete Brown Quote:
|
||
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|