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Old 10-02-2008, 09:47 AM   #1
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Hello, all.

I am in need of two different kinds of lists of NT quotations from the OT.

First, I need a list of quotes attributed to the OT that are difficult or even impossible to find in the OT as they stand. (Example: Matthew 2.23.)

Second, I need a list of quotes attributed to the OT that are easy to find there, but which seem to really warp the original intention of the OT author. (Example: Matthew 2.15.) Nota bene: Unexpected reapplications or slight deviances from the original meaning are not required. (Example: Matthew 3.3.)

I know I have run across lists like this before, but I do not have any handy.

Thanks in advance.

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Old 10-06-2008, 07:48 AM   #2
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I need a list of quotes attributed to the OT that are easy to find there, but which seem to really warp the original intention of the OT author. (Example: Matthew 2.15.)
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Wouldn't that just be the Christian Bible?



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I need a list of quotes attributed to the OT that are difficult or even impossible to find in the OT as they stand. (Example: Matthew 2.23.)
Here is what I have so far:

1. Matthew 2.23. Possible referents: Isaiah 11.1; Judges 13.7.
2. John 7.38. Possible referents: Isaiah 12.3; Ezekiel 47.1-12.
3. 1 Corinthians 2.9. Possible referents: Isaiah 64.4; Sirach 1.8.
4. Ephesians 5.14. Possible referents: Isaiah 26.19; 51.17; 52.1; 60.1.
5. James 4.5. Still unsure about possible referents.

Is it a coincidence that a lot of these mysteriously inexact references happen to resemble stuff from Isaiah?

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Is it a coincidence that a lot of these mysteriously inexact references happen to resemble stuff from Isaiah?

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Paul in Epesians 4:7 quotes a version of a psalm which agrees only with a targum we have.
Jesus if he is quoting a version of the Hebrew Bible he is quoting one we no longer have.
At times he agrees with the LXX we have at times with an Hebrew we have and at times with an Aramaic targum we have.

Maybe the NT authors are always refrencing targums (one we dont have)? After all Jesus and Paul are recorded as speaking Aramaic in the NT.

See here for some examples.

Which Old Testament text did Jesus prefer and quote from?
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