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James Brown · 08-28-2012, 02:02 PM

There are 35 references to 'fornication' in the King James Bible, all of them negative. Fornication being defined as sex outside of marriage.

And since St. Paul argued that it would be better if Christians were not married, like he was, then logically the prescription is clear: Don't have sex until you get married (if you must) and once married, don't have sex with anyone else.

Also, Jesus asserted that having sex with someone who's divorced is the same as committing adultery.

steve_bnk · 08-28-2012, 02:16 PM

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There are 35 references to 'fornication' in the King James Bible, all of them negative. Fornication being defined as sex outside of marriage.

And since St. Paul argued that it would be better if Christians were not married, like he was, then logically the prescription is clear: Don't have sex until you get married (if you must) and once married, don't have sex with anyone else.

Also, Jesus asserted that having sex with someone who's divorced is the same as committing adultery.

i'm not going to look it up, Paul said if you can not hack celibacy get married and have sex. There is nothing in the NT about sex being fundametlly bad. Paul made a erfernce to pagan libertine sex being wrong.

Paul was apocalyptic, he blieved the secoind comming was in his lifetime.

Monogamy is not no sex. I think you are over reaching.

James Brown · 08-28-2012, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by James Brown

There are 35 references to 'fornication' in the King James Bible, all of them negative. Fornication being defined as sex outside of marriage.

And since St. Paul argued that it would be better if Christians were not married, like he was, then logically the prescription is clear: Don't have sex until you get married (if you must) and once married, don't have sex with anyone else.

Also, Jesus asserted that having sex with someone who's divorced is the same as committing adultery.

i'm not going to look it up, Paul said if you can not hack celibacy get married and have sex.

Right. In order of his preference, First, stay single. Second, get married.

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There is nothing in the NT about sex being fundametlly bad.

I never said there was. The Song of Solomon passages make that clear. Jehovah told Adam and Eve to increase and multiply.

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Monogamy is not no sex.

I never said it was.

J842P · 08-28-2012, 04:16 PM

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Who preached abstinence? The Ramayana, Koran and Bible are not especially concerned with abstinence.

Right. Abrahamic religions certainly do not preach abstinence - quite the opposite in fact. What they do preach is no sex outside of marriage.

Zeluvia · 08-28-2012, 04:56 PM

I never liked Paul. Something about his writing and life just screams nutcase in total denial.

steve_bnk · 08-28-2012, 05:00 PM

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Paul was gay, and terribly conflicted about it too....

Cerrtainly a fair question. No reasonn why a preacher 2000 years ago was less likely to be in the closet than a preacher today.

hinduwoman · 08-29-2012, 06:43 AM

I think sex in holy books is also a matter of their times. Christianity introduced prudery about sex and sexual organs and so modern Europeans are unused to associating holy books with erotica and their colonies picked up the habit.

James Brown · 08-29-2012, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by James Brown

There are 35 references to 'fornication' in the King James Bible, all of them negative. Fornication being defined as sex outside of marriage.

And since St. Paul argued that it would be better if Christians were not married, like he was, then logically the prescription is clear: Don't have sex until you get married (if you must) and once married, don't have sex with anyone else.

Also, Jesus asserted that having sex with someone who's divorced is the same as committing adultery.

i'm not going to look it up, Paul said if you can not hack celibacy get married and have sex.

Right. In order of his preference, First, stay single. Second, get married.

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Originally Posted by steve_bnk

There is nothing in the NT about sex being fundametlly bad.

I never said there was. The Song of Solomon passages make that clear. Jehovah told Adam and Eve to increase and multiply.

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Originally Posted by steve_bnk

Monogamy is not no sex.

I never said it was.

Sheesh. You'd think I could remember that Song of Solomon and Genesis are not in the NT.

Sorry, Steve. I still agree with you that the NT does not proscribe against sex per se, but I gave crappy examples.

hinduwoman · 08-29-2012, 06:49 AM

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Paul was gay, and terribly conflicted about it too....

Cerrtainly a fair question. No reasonn why a preacher 2000 years ago was less likely to be in the closet than a preacher today.

It simply could be he was afraid of the power women have through sex; maybe he liked sex a little too much himself and so denied it just to have control.

Toto · 08-30-2012, 12:49 AM

moved from ABR.

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08-28-2012, 02:02 PM	#11
James Brown Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Texas, U.S. Posts: 5,844	There are 35 references to 'fornication' in the King James Bible, all of them negative. Fornication being defined as sex outside of marriage. And since St. Paul argued that it would be better if Christians were not married, like he was, then logically the prescription is clear: Don't have sex until you get married (if you must) and once married, don't have sex with anyone else. Also, Jesus asserted that having sex with someone who's divorced is the same as committing adultery.

08-28-2012, 04:56 PM	#15
Zeluvia Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 5,172	I never liked Paul. Something about his writing and life just screams nutcase in total denial.

08-29-2012, 06:43 AM	#17
hinduwoman Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: India Posts: 6,977	I think sex in holy books is also a matter of their times. Christianity introduced prudery about sex and sexual organs and so modern Europeans are unused to associating holy books with erotica and their colonies picked up the habit.

08-30-2012, 12:49 AM	#20
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	moved from ABR.

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