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Old 07-19-2010, 11:00 PM   #1
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Paul writes in Romans 10 'Not all Israelites accepted the good news'

That is a very restrained way of summarising killing Christ.

Paul seems to imply that the Jews could not be expected to believe in Jesus, until Christians had been sent to preach about him

Romans 10
How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!" But not all the Israelites accepted the good news.

But Paul thinks God (NB not Jesus) has appointed apostles to preach about Jesus.

And the Jews have no excuse now for not having heard about Jesus, because Christian have been preaching him everywhere.

'But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did:
"Their voice has gone out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world.'

Why does Paul expect the Jews to have heard about Jesus , because of the fact that Christians have preached everywhere?
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....Why does Paul expect the Jews to have heard about Jesus , because of the fact that Christians have preached everywhere?
Because a Pauline writer wrote this in Galatians.

Galatians 1.20-24
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20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not.

21 Afterwards I came into the regions of Syria and Cilicia;

22 And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:

23 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.

24 And they glorified God in me.
So in a supposed letter,well before a Pauline writer was even known there were Churches in Christ in Judea.

Once it is understood that the Pauline writer claimed he PERSECUTED the Church in Christ of Judea himself, then it must be expected that people in Judea heard of Jesus and BEFORE they could even RECOGNISE the Pauline writer's face.

Up to today, no Pauline face can be given to NOT even one of the authorship of the epistles to Timothy.
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Why does Paul expect the Jews to have heard about Jesus , because of the fact that Christians have preached everywhere?
Only a writer writing *after* the church had grown reasonably large could expect everyone to have heard of their idol. Unless you accept the concept of miraculous growth in the early church - which I don't think any objective person would - then we have to conclude this passage is mid 2nd century at the earliest.

Beside that, the passage seems to indicate tension between Jews and Christians, which is also anachronistic prior to Bar Kochba. Much of Paul depicts this tension, which is often explained as being a later layer, and it might be. But it could also be that the works we attribute to Paul are on whole later works.
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