sugarhitman

Anyways If Nebby was to destroy Tyre as the critics says. Then why does God say that it will be destroyed and desolate without inhabitant when he brings the deep over it? And if this destruction was to happen at one time. Then how can it be a place to spread nets on...a place where fishermen will be. If their are no inhabitants and it is desolate? This certainly proves that there are different judgements taking place here for different periods and two places. Because if this was to occur it the same time for one spot (total destruction) Then there would be no bare rock to spread nets on.....because it would be deep under the sea. Diferrent judgements, different periods of time....two localities.

Sheshonq

How many of those ancient religions are responsible for trying to cripple the education of 21st century american kids?

How many of those ancient religions killed millions of people because they thought they were on a mission from god?

How many of those ancient religions tried to shove their way of life or thinking down the throats of entire societies, even if other people weren't believers of that religion?

You have a long way to go before you can draw comparisons between ancient greek myths and christianity.

makerowner

The 'trust' that historians have in their sources is earned by checking them against other sources and archaeological evidence, among other things. This is in fact the opposite of faith: sources must be tested and proven accurate before they can be trusted. There are many instances where the Biblical texts contradict all other evidence, and do so in a way that favours the interests of the author. In these situations, it's clear that the Biblical texts are not to be trusted.

Jack the Bodiless

Unfortunately for you, WE understand it!
The sources that prove the Tyre prophecy wrong include the Bible itself (all the later verses that refer to Tyre as still existing, and Ezekiel's admission that Nebby didn't get his promised reward), plus modern sources which confirm the ongoing existence of Tyre. It isn't just historical sources.
You still don't understand. The name "Tyre" MEANS "rock": the rock on which the island fortress was built. The mainland settlement wasn't built on a "rock". Ezekiel understood exactly where Tyre was, even if YOU don't: hence his references to "a bare rock".

It is entirely possible that Ezekiel believed God would cause the island to be swallowed up by the sea after Nebby had finished with it. It is also entirely possible that Ezekiel was speaking poetically/metaphorically there. But, regardless: "two judgements" at different periods of time does NOT imply "two locations". If it DID: well, you must have a pretty confused notion of Middle-Eastern geography if you believe that each of God's "judgements" against Israel (or Egypt etc) actually applied to a different location!

Sheshonq

Because the book of Ezekiel is wrong and contains bad history?

Because the city of Tyre - situated on a rock in the water - was supposed to be cleared of the entire city, leaving only the rock underneath. A bare rock in the water is a great place to spread fishnets.

Not necessarily a problem. Maybe Ezekiel thought that people from the surrounding villages -- or from the mother city of Sidon -- would use the rock as a place to spread their nets. On the other hand, Ezekiel does contradict himself and certainly contains bad history, so I'm perfectly willing to believe there is a problem in the text.

No, it only proves that fundies will create almost any interpretation to avoid admitting an error in the bible.

sugarhitman

The only part of Daniel sealed was the book dealing with the time of the end. Remember He was around when some of the events he foretold happen while he was alive (Babylon being conquered by Medo-Persia) He was not around to witness The rise of Greece and Rome. During the Roman Empire Jesus came with this interesting and revealing message "Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" Go back to Nebby's dream of the statue Rome was the 4th and final world empire the legs and toes are at the end of this image. Jesus was born in this era. Paul said this era was the last hour. The stone that is Christ that fell on the statues feet shows that He returns after Rome divides.....The time we are now in which has been since 476 A.d. All except the identity of this "abomination that causes desolation" in the book of Daniel has been revealed....The book is Unsealed my friend...Israel is back in it's land...Tyre is a place for fishing....Its only a matter of time.

By the way, silly jestors are known to be fools. :wave:

makerowner

Everything you said has already been refuted a dozen times on this board.

1. There was never such a thing as 'Medo-Persia'
2. The Book of Daniel only mentions Rome in passing, in 11:30, where it's called 'Kittim'.
3. The various anointed ones in Daniel don't refer to Jesus, and the internal chronology obviously contradicts that assertion.
4. The 'abomination that causes desolation' refers to Antiochus IV putting a statue of Zeus in the temple sanctuary and sacrificing a pig there.
5. Tyre was not destroyed, and the fact that people most likely fish there is definitely not a fulfillment of the prophecy.

sugarhitman

Complete nonesense, how can you spread nets on a rock buried DEEP beneath the sea No part OF IT EXPOSED TO THE SURFACE.: " WHEN I SHALL BRING UP THE DEEP UPON YOU Great waters shall COVER you...I will set you in the LOW PARTS of the earth,..with them that GO DOWN TO THE PIT, THAT YOU BE NOT INHABITED."

These verses prove without a shadow of a doubt that Tyre is not completely destroyed by no nation but God alone... The mainland city has indeed been scraped and is like a top of a rock....this is for the island this is no error. :wave:

arnoldo

Yes, belief in the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob is the root of all evil from you twisted perspective.

sugarhitman

As the Angel told Daniel "The unwise shall not understand" How true this prediction. How true indeed.