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Old 02-23-2004, 11:57 PM   #21
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IT IS TRUE!!!

They found his body sitting on a toilet in an "antiquities" dealer's "workshop."

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What adds to the authenticity of the Bible is how well history and subtle elements in the stories and slang and names of places (that are unfamiliar to us today) work, which suggests that such account did take place, and people were well aware of them. I’ve put up some of these examples in the thread.

In fact, from studying the languages of the original Hebrew and the incorporations of other words and languages that are found in specific books said to be written during specific times, was used to prove that the books of the Old Testament as well as the Gospels were really written during the times the writers claimed it was, when many critics of the Bible claimed that they were written many years after and so would be unreliable in many aspects, those criticisms were proven false, I will recommend some people to research if you’re interested.
This recent thread on biblical archaeology focuses on the Exodus and Conquest in the OT. Some of the things mentioned in the two paragraphs above are directly discussed in the thread.
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I don't see how those quotes refer to us. He was talking to his disciples saying this (right here in front of me) generation. What amount of verbal gymnastics can possibly make that refer to a different generation. There is strong evidence that christians have always thought Jesus was coming back soon. This is how the early church leaders appear to interpret these passages as well.

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I thought they found the box he was in on a toilet in the attic bathroom of someone who owned an antiquities dealer workshop
(man what a paradox and irony on so many levels) but his body was tucked behind the base of said toilet in a tupperware container. Makes you wonder who you've been eating all these years. (by you I don't mean docX of course)
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Nothing to see here . . . just another hit-and-run . . . {Comment deleted}


Thought I could sneak that one in. . . . Besides, hobos hang out under bridges . . . yes . . . that is it . . . hobos. . . .

Anyways, I will retract the "hit-and-run" as well because JTurtle did return . . . with better capitalization as well!

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Old 02-24-2004, 12:21 AM   #25
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Makes you wonder who you've been eating all these years. (by you I don't mean docX of course)
I do not mind. It all depends on who is eating m[RIGHT! Stop that!--Ed.]

Anyways, as way of an "olive branch," while methinks JTurtle came on with a bit of attitude that reminded me of a "hit-and-run" and . . . well . . . you know . . . I do hope he comes back and debates these issues.

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What adds to the authenticity of the Bible is how well history and subtle elements in the stories and slang and names of places (that are unfamiliar to us today) work, which suggests that such account did take place, and people were well aware of them. I’ve put up some of these examples in the thread.
One could make the same argument for Tolkien's Lord of the Rings, but I don't see that argument necessarily implying that "such account did take place." Wouldn't it be cool, though, if it did!

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In fact, from studying the languages of the original Hebrew and the incorporations of other words and languages that are found in specific books said to be written during specific times, was used to prove that the books of the Old Testament as well as the Gospels were really written during the times the writers claimed it was, when many critics of the Bible claimed that they were written many years after and so would be unreliable in many aspects, those criticisms were proven false, I will recommend some people to research if you’re interested.
One of my favorite novels is Frank Deford's "Casey on the Loose: What Really Might Have Happened," which is a background of the events leading up to Mighty Casey's historic at-bat for the Mudville Nine. The narrative of Ernest L. Thayer's "Casey at the Bat: A Ballad of the Republic" is worked into Deford's plot, with Casey's strikeout followed by the final chapter, "An Electrifying Turn of Events", which redeems the hero in a delightful conclusion. One of the most charming aspects of the book is that it is entirely and accurately written in the dialect of the times - the late 1880's, when baseball teams were referred to by the pluralization of the home city (i.e. the Red Sox might be called the "Bostons"), and many authentic slang and jargon terms are interspersed in the story.

Using the same line of argument as the referenced Christian apologist, one could make a case that Frank Deford (a senior editor for Sports Illustrated at the time) therefore wrote "Casey on the Loose" in the nineteenth century, because the dialog is so authentic and accurate for that time period.

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I once memorized that poem--holds quite a few things an Emily Dickenson never experienced. . . .

It looked extremely rocky for the Mudville Nine that day,
The score stood two-to-four with one inning left to play,
So when Cooney died at second, and Burrows did the same,
A pallor wreathed the features of the patrons of the game.


Anyways, we know it is true because their were many witnesses to the "at bat."

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No reaction yet to any of the JUST ONE contradictions that we were asked for and helpfully provided.

In the interests of fairness, however, I don't think we can ask for a response to more than JUST ONE of the half dozen or so JUST ONE contradictions that we supplied.

I don't mind if my examples, Joseph's father and David's census, get ignored in favour of some other JUST ONE contradiction, but I think at least one of the JUST ONE contradicitons should be answered.

So, Monsieur JTurtle, how about it?
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Well I received an answer . . . I needed to look at the "context." Unfortunately, the context proved my point. At least I did not receive the "you need to look at the original language" excuse.

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