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Old 06-05-2012, 05:30 PM   #1
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Default Different strokes in the HJ/MJ debate.

I occasionally come to this forum to read the latest scholarly debates and interesting theories people here post. I really enjoy to see all of this activity and envy the depth of research and knowledge many in this forum have.

I tentatively have a historical Jesus frame of reference, but I also like to step out of that from time to time. What I am finding very interesting, to me at least, is that both sides seem to take great interest in the subject of Jesus and appear to enjoy their search/research. Those who do not see a real person find interesting reasons for their skepticism just as those who, though atheist or agnostic or whatever, do see a real historical person lurking around in the dusty halls of the past.

My question is, firstly: Do you enjoy this subject? Because it appears that many of you do. Secondly: If you do enjoy it, or more interestingly if you do not, why do you pursue it so intensely?
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My question is, firstly: Do you enjoy this subject?
No.

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Because it appears that many of you do.
Appearances can be deceiving.

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Secondly: If you do enjoy it, or more interestingly if you do not, why do you pursue it so intensely?

I seek the ancient historical truth. (See 3 below).


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Originally Posted by George Orwell in "Why I Write"

Four motives for writing

Orwell lists "four great motives for writing" which he feels exist in every writer. He explains that all are present, but in different proportions, and also that these proportions vary from time to time. They are as follows:


1.Sheer egoism-

Orwell argues that many people write simply to feel clever, to "be talked about, to be remembered after death, to get your own back on grown-ups in childhood, etc." He says that this is a great motive, although most of humanity is not "acutely selfish", and that this motive exists mainly in younger writers. He also says that it exists more in serious writers than journalists, though serious writers are "less interested in money".


2.Aesthetic enthusiasm-

Orwell explains that present in writing is the desire to make one's writing look and sound good, having "pleasure in the impact of one sound on another, in the firmness of good prose or the rhythm of a good story." He says that this motive is "very feeble in a lot of writers" but still present in all works of writing.


3.Historical impulse-

He sums this up stating this motive is the "desire to see things as they are, to find out true facts and store them up for the use of posterity."


4.Political purpose-

Orwell writes that "no book is genuinely free from political bias", and further explains that this motive is used very commonly in all forms of writing in the broadest sense, citing a "desire to push the world in a certain direction" in every person. He concludes by saying that "the opinion that art should have nothing to do with politics is itself a political attitude."
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I occasionally come to this forum to read the latest scholarly debates and interesting theories people here post. I really enjoy to see all of this activity and envy the depth of research and knowledge many in this forum have.

I tentatively have a historical Jesus frame of reference, but I also like to step out of that from time to time. What I am finding very interesting, to me at least, is that both sides seem to take great interest in the subject of Jesus and appear to enjoy their search/research. Those who do not see a real person find interesting reasons for their skepticism just as those who, though atheist or agnostic or whatever, do see a real historical person lurking around in the dusty halls of the past.

My question is, firstly: Do you enjoy this subject? Because it appears that many of you do. Secondly: If you do enjoy it, or more interestingly if you do not, why do you pursue it so intensely?


History interest me, and when there is scant evidence, its fun to put the puzzle pieces together.

jesus isnt my primary study and I love the formation of the early hebrew culture while polytheistic. jesus is secondary though.


its slow at work and I have way to much PC time, and thi smakes good reading.

despite the theological differences most of the guys despite what it looks like in teh heat of the battle, are pretty good folks.
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Originally Posted by George Orwell in "Why I Write"

Four motives for writing

Orwell lists "four great motives for writing" which he feels exist in every writer. He explains that all are present, but in different proportions, and also that these proportions vary from time to time. They are as follows:

1.Sheer egoism-

Orwell argues that many people write simply to feel clever, to "be talked about, to be remembered after death, to get your own back on grown-ups in childhood, etc." He says that this is a great motive, although most of humanity is not "acutely selfish", and that this motive exists mainly in younger writers. He also says that it exists more in serious writers than journalists, though serious writers are "less interested in money".

2.Aesthetic enthusiasm-

Orwell explains that present in writing is the desire to make one's writing look and sound good, having "pleasure in the impact of one sound on another, in the firmness of good prose or the rhythm of a good story." He says that this motive is "very feeble in a lot of writers" but still present in all works of writing.

3.Historical impulse-

He sums this up stating this motive is the "desire to see things as they are, to find out true facts and store them up for the use of posterity."

4.Political purpose-

Orwell writes that "no book is genuinely free from political bias", and further explains that this motive is used very commonly in all forms of writing in the broadest sense, citing a "desire to push the world in a certain direction" in every person. He concludes by saying that "the opinion that art should have nothing to do with politics is itself a political attitude."
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I would add again: for the pleasure of helping people understand the truth and get rid of slavery induced by ultra-millenary plagiarism of a clergy among the most cynical and more bloody of all history: that catholic-christian!


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I enjoy mythology.
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I think it's mostly about the stroking.
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Organised hierarchical hegemonic stroking.


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from Latin sminrium, from sminrius, of seed, from semen ...

A school, especially a theological school for the training of priests, ministers, or rabbis.
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