Freethought & Rationalism ArchiveThe archives are read only. |
04-07-2008, 12:34 PM | #41 | ||
Veteran Member
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Posts: 2,579
|
Quote:
Where do I speak about "contemporary Lukan scholars", Jeffrey ? I said "the orthodox view of Luke", did I not ? Does that read to you "contempoary Lukan scholars" ? What are you smoking ? Who do you think you can kid with this kind of blather ? Are you denying there have been mainstream traditionalists since Irenaeus in the church who took everything Luke says as factual reporting ? What do contemporary Catholics believe ? You don't know ? I am reading just know a second-string Catholic scholar, somebody by the name of Ratzinger, who absolutely believes that everything Luke says is historical. You are not going to dispute that, are you ? Jiri |
||
04-07-2008, 12:58 PM | #42 | |||||
Veteran Member
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 3,058
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Jeffrey |
|||||
04-07-2008, 01:02 PM | #43 |
Contributor
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Los Angeles area
Posts: 40,549
|
Jeffrey - check out this thread: Luedemann versus the Pope
|
04-07-2008, 01:14 PM | #44 | |||||||
Veteran Member
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 3,058
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
But why don't you ask him yourself? He may be reached at: fitzmyja at georgetown.edu Jeffrey |
|||||||
04-07-2008, 01:16 PM | #45 | |
Veteran Member
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 3,058
|
Quote:
Jeffrey |
|
04-07-2008, 01:25 PM | #46 | ||
Veteran Member
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 3,058
|
Quote:
Jeffrey |
||
04-07-2008, 01:30 PM | #47 | |||||||
Contributor
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Los Angeles area
Posts: 40,549
|
Quote:
Quote:
The game that people play is to claim the middle ground for themselves, and paint all whom they disagree with as extremists. Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
|||||||
04-07-2008, 01:35 PM | #48 | ||
Contributor
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Los Angeles area
Posts: 40,549
|
divino afflante spiritu
Quote:
Let's go to the executive summary in wikipedia Quote:
|
||
04-07-2008, 05:12 PM | #49 | ||
Contributor
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Barrayar
Posts: 11,866
|
Quote:
As for the use of the specific terms I pointed out -- claims of truthfulness -- any perusal of the psuedoPaulines will turn them up. 1 Tim offers
2 Tim is one long construction of similar exhortations.
...to give only one. Ancient fiction writers clearly worked in many different ways to give their tales at least a veneer of truth. Quote:
In any case, judge, I have already show that it is easy to see the writer of Luke is producing fiction, for we have his sources, and further, he knows he is producing fiction, though he claims he is writing history. Speaking of avoidance, perhaps you or Jeff G. could address that tension between the writer of Luke claiming "certainty" while knowingly altering events, etc. Vorkosigan |
||
04-07-2008, 06:28 PM | #50 | |
Banned
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Palm Springs, California
Posts: 10,955
|
Quote:
These aren't "histories" in the modern sense (and of course even modern histories have an agenda), but carefully constructive narratives with a point to make. In that sense they are just like the gospels, and any categorization that puts "histories" on one side and the gospels on the other are tendentious. |
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|