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Legomenos mania!
There have been so many statements about what should be expected from Joe Cephus about "so-called". All of these forms are limited to the Middle Voice. But this is (I hope) every single case of every single form of Legomenos (so-called).
Nominative Case: λεγόμενος .λέγω@vpppnms Nominative Masculine Singular Ant 1:38 Greeks called Ganges. Ἑλλήνων Γάγγης λεγόμενος Ant 12:125 Antiochus, the grandson of Seleucus, (who by the Greeks was called God) Ἀντίοχος ὁ Σελεύκου υἱωνὸς ὁ παρὰ τοῖς Ἕλλησιν Θεὸς λεγόμενος Ant 13:1 (section headings not translated in BW) Demetrius called Eukairos Δημήτριος ὁ Εὔκαιρος λεγόμενος Ant 14:8 a certain friend of Hyrcanus, an Idumean, called Antipater Φίλος δέ τις Ὑρκανοῦ Ἰδουμαῖος Ἀντίπατρος λεγόμενος Life 1:4 Matthias, called Ephlias Ματθίας ὁ Ἠφαίου λεγόμενος Against Apion 2:48 the third of those Ptolemies, who was called Euergetes τρίτος Πτολεμαῖος ὁ λεγόμενος Εὐεργέτης λεγομένη .λέγω@vpppnfs Nominative Feminine Singular JOE Antiquities of the Jews 1:160 called the land of Canaan τὴν τότε μὲν Χαναναίαν λεγομένην JOE Antiquities of the Jews 1:174 Lake Asphaltites, as it is called. λίμνη γέγονεν ἡ Ἀσφαλτῖτις λεγομένη JOE Antiquities of the Jews 4:161 the Greeks called Petra. Πέτρα παρ᾽ Ἕλλησι λεγομένη JOE Antiquities of the Jews 13:320 by the Greeks, was called Alexandra λεγομένη δὲ ὑπὸ Ἑλλήνων Ἀλεξάνδρα λεγόμενον .λέγω@vpppnns Nominitive Neuter Singular JOE Antiquities of the Jews 1:95 great mountain in Armenia, over Minyas, called Baris ὑπὲρ τὴν Μινυάδα μέγα ὄρος κατὰ τὴν Ἀρμενίαν Βάρις λεγόμενον JOE Antiquities of the Jews 12:6 a nation, called Judeans ἔθνος Ἰουδαίων λεγόμενον JOE Antiquities of the Jews 18:91 in the Antonia fortress as it is called ἐν τῇ Ἀντωνίᾳ φρούριον δ᾽ ἐστὶν οὕτως λεγόμενον λεγόμενοι .λέγω@vpppnmp Nominative Masculine Plural Ant 11:31 those families which were called the seven families of the Persians κατέσχον οἱ λεγόμενοι ἑπτὰ οἶκοι τῶν Περσῶν Ant 18:11 of those called Pharisees οἱ Φαρισαῖοι λεγόμενοι λεγομέναι .λέγω@vpppnfp Nominative Feminine Plural None λεγόμενα .λέγω@vpppnnp Nominitive Neuter Plural Ant 5:232 and what he determined was esteemed valid by all καὶ περὶ τῶν διαφορῶν ἐπ᾽ αὐτὸν βαδιζόντων κύρια πάντα ἦν τὰ ὑπ᾽ αὐτοῦ λεγόμενα Ant 18:229 what you say may prove true ἀληθῆ τὰ λεγόμενα εἴη καὶ ὁ ἑκατοντάρχης Genitive Case: λεγομένου .λέγω@vpppgms Genitive Masculine Singular Ant 1:133 one of the sons of Mizraim, who was called Lybyos τῶν Μεσράμου υἱῶν Λίβυος λεγομένου Ant 5.1 (section headings not translated in Whiston) said to be fourty years ἔτη τεσσαράκοντα λεγομένου Ant 6:28 Bethcar, a place so called Κορραίων τόπου τινὸς οὕτω λεγομένου Ant 12:412 that month which by the Jews is called Adar μηνὸς τοῦ λεγομένου παρὰ μὲν Ἰουδαίοις Ἄδαρ Ant 13:1 (section heading not translated by Whiston) Dionysus was said to campaign against Judaea[/U]? λεγομένου στρατεία ἐπὶ Ἰουδαίαν Ant 13:418 Ptolemy, who was called Menneus Πτολεμαίου τοῦ Μενναίου λεγομένου Ant 17:319 with a certain part of what was called the House of Zenodorus σύν τινι μέρει οἴκου τοῦ Ζηνοδώρου λεγομένου Ant 20:200 the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James τὸν ἀδελφὸν Ἰησοῦ τοῦ λεγομένου Χριστοῦ Ἰάκωβος ὄνομα αὐτῷ λεγομένης .λέγω@vpppgfs Genitive Feminine Singular JOE Antiquities of the Jews 1:133 by the appellation of Phut Φούτης λεγομένης JOE Antiquities of the Jews 1:159 out of the land above Babylon, called the land of the Chaldeans. ἐκ τῆς γῆς τῆς ὑπὲρ Βαβυλῶνος Χαλδαίων λεγομένης JOE Antiquities of the Jews 6:274 a city called Engedi τῆς πόλεως … τῆς Ἐνγεδὼν λεγομένης JOE Antiquities of the Jews 9:11 at (a place) called The Eminence λεγομένης δ᾽ Ἐξοχῆς JOE Antiquities of the Jews 14:416 a village called Arbela ταῦτα κώμης Ἀρβήλων λεγομένης JOE Antiquities of the Jews 19:13 [Claudius'] 'trial of death' as it is called Κλαυδίου … δίκης θανάτου λεγομένης JOE Antiquities of the Jews 20:2 at a village called Mia κώμης μιᾶς λεγομένης JOE Antiquities of the Jews 20:118 a village that was called Ginea κώμης Γιναῆς λεγομένης JOE Wars of the Jews 7:226 the country called Chalcidene τῆς μὲν Χαλκιδικῆς λεγομένης λεγομένου .λέγω@vpppgns Genitive Neuter Singular JOE Antiquities of the Jews 1:119 the plain called Shinar τοῦ πεδίου τοῦ λεγομένου Σεναὰρ JOE Antiquities of the Jews 8:145 the mountain called Libanus τοῦ ὄρους τοῦ λεγομένου Λιβάνου JOE Antiquities of the Jews 12:429 Mount Aza as it is called Ἐζᾶ ὄρους οὕτω λεγομένου JOE Against Apion 1:118 from the mountain called Libanus, ἀπὸ τοῦ λεγομένου Λιβάνου ὄρους λεγομένων .λέγω@vpppgmp Genitive Masculine Plural Ant 14:342 ten (men), who were called (the) Freemen δέκα τῶν λεγομένων ἐλευθέρων λεγομενῶν .λέγω@vpppgfp Genitive Feminine Plural None λεγομένων .λέγω@vpppgnp Genitive Neuter Plural Ant 2:104 falsehood in what we say τι ψευδές ἐστι τῶν λεγομένων Ant 3:85 what I am going to say τῶν λεγομένων εἰς ἐμὲ Ant 3:89 what should be spoken τῶν λεγομένων Ant 3:97 embrace(d) neither of those opinions καὶ μηδέτερον τῶν λεγομένων Ant 4:307 by way of confirmation of what had been said ἐπὶ τῇ κυρώσει τῶν λεγομένων Dative Case: λεγομένῳ .λέγω@vpppdms Dative Masculine Singular Ant 6:310 a certain place called Hachilah. ἐπί τινι τόπῳ Σίκελλα λεγομένῳ Ant 6:377 in the best place of their country, which was named Aroura ἐν τῷ καλλίστῳ τῆς χώρας τόπῳ Ἀρούρης λεγομένῳ Ant 8:100 which [month] is by our countrymen Tishri, but the Macedonians call Hyperberetaios ὑπὸ μὲν τῶν ἐπιχωρίων Ἀθύρει ὑπὸ δὲ τῶν Μακεδόνων Ὑπερβερεταίῳ λεγομένῳ Ant 8:163 in a certain place called Ebiongezer ἔν τινι τόπῳ λεγομένῳ Γασίων Γάβελος Ant 10:23 in his own temple, which was called Nisroch τῷ ἰδίῳ ναῷ Ἀράσκῃ λεγομένῳ Ant 11:109 the first month, which, according to the Macedonians, is called Xanthikos, but according to us Nisan , μηνὶ τῷ πρώτῳ κατὰ μὲν Μακεδόνας Ξανθικῷ λεγομένῳ κατὰ δὲ ἡμᾶς Νισάν Ant 12:369 at a place called Bethzachariah ἔν τινι τόπῳ Βεθζαχαρίᾳ λεγομένῳ Ant 17:87 at the harbour called Sebaste τῷ Σεβαστῷ λιμένι λεγομένῳ Ant 20:197 the son of Ananus, who was also himself called Ananus. τῷ δὲ Ἀνάνου παιδὶ καὶ αὐτῷ Ἀνάνῳ λεγομένῳ λεγομένῃ .λέγω@vpppdfs Dative Feminine Singular JOE Antiquities of the Jews 1:151 in a city of the Chaldeans, called Ur ἐν πόλει Οὐρῆ λεγομένῃ τῶν Χαλδαίων JOE Antiquities of the Jews 3:172 the herb which we call Saccharus τῇ σακχάρῳ βοτάνῃ παρ᾽ ἡμῖν λεγομένῃ JOE Antiquities of the Jews 7:288 a strong city, called Abel ἐν ὀχυρᾷ πόλει τυγχάνειν Ἀβελωχέᾳ λεγομένῃ JOE Antiquities of the Jews 8:181 for the king had many ships which lay upon what is called the sea of Tarsus ἀλλὰ πολλαὶ γὰρ ἦσαν ναῦς ἃς ὁ βασιλεὺς ἐν τῇ Ταρσικῇ λεγομένῃ θαλάττῃ JOE Antiquities of the Jews 8:225 at Penuel, a city so called ἐν Φανουὴλ πόλει λεγομένῃ JOE Antiquities of the Jews 8:293 a valley called Zephathah ἔν τινι φάραγγι Σαβαθὰ λεγομένῃ JOE Antiquities of the Jews 8:312 the city called Semareon ἐν Σωμαρεῶνι λεγομένῃ πόλει JOE Antiquities of the Jews 17:25 in the toparchy called Batanea ἐν τοπαρχίᾳ τῇ λεγομένῃ Βαταναίᾳ JOE Wars of the Jews 5:51 a certain village called Gabath Saul πρός τινι κώμῃ Γαβὰθ Σαοὺλ λεγομένῃ JOE Life of Flavius Josephus 1:12 which the Greeks call Stoics τῇ παρ᾽ Ἕλλησιν Στωϊκῇ λεγομένῃ JOE Against Apion 1:110 a country in Galilee also, that was called Chabulon χώραν τῆς Γαλιλαίας ἐν τῇ Χαβουλῶν λεγομένῃ λεγομένῳ .λέγω@vpppdns Dative Neuter Singular JOE Antiquities of the Jews 1:80 in the second month, called by the Macedonians Dios, but by the Hebrews Marchesuan ἐν μηνὶ δευτέρῳ Δίῳ μὲν ὑπὸ Μακεδόνων λεγομένῳ Μαρσουάνῃ δ᾽ ὑπὸ Ἑβραίων JOE Antiquities of the Jews 12:259 that which by the Jews is called the Sabbath day παρὰ τοῖς Ἰουδαίοις λεγομένην σαββάτων ἡμέραν JOE Antiquities of the Jews 16:142 in the plain called Capharsaba ἐν τῷ πεδίῳ τῷ λεγομένῳ Καφαρσαβᾶ λεγομένοις .λέγω@vpppdmp Dative Masculine Plural Ant 1:202 and deemed silliness what Lot had said. εὐήθειαν ἐπικαλοῦντες τοῖς ὑπὸ τοῦ Λώτου λεγομένοις Ant 18:22 Dacians who are called Ctistae Δακῶν τοῖς πλείστοις λεγομένοις λεγομέναις .λέγω@vpppdfp Dative Feminine Plural None λεγομένοις .λέγω@vpppdnp Dative Neuter Plural JOE Antiquities of the Jews 1:73 what resembled those courageous Giants as the Greeks call them in their legends. ὅμοια τοῖς ὑπὸ γιγάντων τετολμῆσθαι λεγομένοις ὑφ᾽ Ἑλλήνων καὶ οὗτοι δράσαι παραδίδονται JOE Antiquities of the Jews 1:107 agree to what I here say συμφωνοῦσι τοῖς ὑπ᾽ ἐμοῦ λεγομένοις JOE Antiquities of the Jews 1:163 Pharaoh, the king of Egypt, would not be satisfied with what was reported of her Φαραώθης ὁ βασιλεὺς τῶν Αἰγυπτίων οὐ τοῖς περὶ αὐτῆς λεγομένοις JOE Antiquities of the Jews 2:130 laughed at what he said ἐχλεύαζον ἐπὶ τοῖς λεγομένοις JOE Antiquities of the Jews 3:192 The Hebrews were pleased with what was said γινομένας προσδέχεται ταύτας Ἑβραῖοι δὲ ἠρέσκοντο τοῖς λεγομένοις JOE Antiquities of the Jews 3:207 and so obeyed [Moses'] injunctions τοῖς λεγομένοις ὑπήκουον JOE Antiquities of the Jews 8:92 Of the measures like those which Moses called the Hin τὰ μέτρα δὲ τοῖς Μωυσήου λεγομένοις δὲ ειν JOE Antiquities of the Jews 8:177 these pine trees were like those which are now so called τὰ τῆς πεύκης ξύλα τοῖς νῦν εἶναι λεγομένοις JOE Antiquities of the Jews 8:182 to what was reported U JOE Antiquities of the Jews 9:86 what he said λεγομένοις JOE Antiquities of the Jews 13:303 what was said against him τοῖς λεγομένοις JOE Antiquities of the Jews 16:289 when this was said ἐπὶ τοῖς λεγομένοις JOE Antiquities of the Jews 19:135 to put faith in his words τὴν ἐπὶ τοῖς λεγομένοις πίστιν JOE Antiquities of the Jews 20:203 what they said τοῖς λεγομένοις JOE Wars of the Jews 1:72 At first, indeed, Aristobulus would not believe their reports τὰ μὲν δὴ πρῶτα διηπίστει τοῖς λεγομένοις ὁ Ἀριστόβουλος JOE Wars of the Jews 1:504 Herod assented to what he had said Συνῄνει τοῖς λεγομένοις Ἡρώδης JOE Wars of the Jews 1:590 Now Herod gave credit to all they said ἐπίστευσεν δ᾽ Ἡρώδης πᾶσιν τοῖς λεγομένοις JOE Wars of the Jews 7:56 this man's accusation τοῖς ὑπ᾽ αὐτοῦ λεγομένοις JOE Wars of the Jews 7:415 complied with what was proposed ἐπείσθησαν τοῖς λεγομένοις JOE Wars of the Jews 7:423 if he would comply with his proposal, εἰ πεισθείη τοῖς ὑπ᾽ αὐτοῦ λεγομένοις JOE Wars of the Jews 7:426 So Ptolemy complied with his proposals, Πεισθεὶς Πτολεμαῖος τοῖς λεγομένοις JOE Against Apion 1:143 what Berosus says τοῖς ὑπὸ Βηρώσου λεγομένοις JOE Against Apion 2:284 not to disbelieve what I say. τοῖς ὑπ᾽ ἐμοῦ λεγομένοις οὐκ ἀπιστήσει Accusative Case: λεγόμενον .λέγω@vpppams Accusative Masculine Singular Ant 1:331 a certain river called Jabbok χειμάρρουν τινὰ Ἰάβακχον λεγόμενον Ant 3:152 he puts on that which is called Machanase μὲν περιτίθεται τὸν μαναχάσην λεγόμενον Ant 3:162 garment, which was called the Ephod ἐνδύεται τὸν λεγόμενον μὲν ἐφώδην Ant 6:360 to a certain brook called Besor ἐπί τινα χειμάρρουν Βάσελον λεγόμενον Ant 7:310 at a place called Lehi εἰς τόπον Σιαγόνα λεγόμενον Ant 10:175 to a certain place called Mandara εἴς τινα τόπον Μάνδρα λεγόμενον Ant 11:329 to a place called Sapha εἰς τόπον τινὰ Σαφειν λεγόμενον Ant 13:10 his brother John, who was also called Gaddis τὸν ἀδελφὸν Ἰωάννην τὸν καὶ Γάδδειν λεγόμενον Ant 13:309 a Tower which was called Strato's αὐτὸν κατὰ τὸν Στράτωνος λεγόμενον πύργον Ant 13:338 near a certain place called Saphon περί τινα τόπον λεγόμενον Ἀσωφὼν Ant 13:370 his fourth brother, Demetrius, who was called Eucerus τὸν τρίτον αὐτῶν ἀδελφὸν Δημήτριον τὸν Ἄκαιρον λεγόμενον Life 1:281 at a place called Union κατὰ τόπον λεγόμενον Ὁμόνοιαν Against Apion 1:238 they called a ruler out of the priests of Heliopolis, Osarsiph, they caused to stand ἔχοντες ἡγεμόνα αὐτῶν λεγόμενόν τινα τῶν Ἡλιοπολιτῶν ἱερέων Ὀσάρσηφον ἐστήσαντο λεγομένην .λέγω@vpppafs Accusative Feminine Singular Ant 1.1 (subject headings not incl in BW) … Canaan which is now called Judaea Ant 1.1 ζ … Χαναναίαν νῦν δὲ Ἰουδαίαν λεγομένην JOE Antiquities of the Jews 1:160 into the land then called (the land) of Canaan, but now the land of Judea εἰς τὴν τότε μὲν Χαναναίαν λεγομένην νῦν δὲ Ἰουδαίαν JOE Antiquities of the Jews 1:174 at the vale called the Asphalt Pits κατὰ τὴν κοιλάδα τὴν λεγομένην φρέατα ἀσφάλτου JOE Antiquities of the Jews 1:260 a place called Pharanga (i.e., the Valley) εἰς τὴν λεγομένην Φάραγγα χωρίον JOE Antiquities of the Jews 2:6 in that part of Idumea which is called Gebalitis τῆς Ἰδουμαίας τὴν Γοβολῖτιν λεγομένην JOE Antiquities of the Jews 2:317 feast for eight days, which is called the (feast) of unleavened (bread) ἑορτὴν ἄγομεν ἐφ᾽ ἡμέρας ὀκτὼ τὴν τῶν ἀζύμων λεγομένην JOE Antiquities of the Jews 3:248 that sacrifice … which was called the Passover τὴν θυσίαν … πάσχα λεγομένην JOE Antiquities of the Jews 3:294 as the first [sacrifice] offered after the departure out of Egypt, [Moses] offered that sacrifice which was called the Passover θύει δὲ τότε πρῶτον μετὰ τὴν ἀναχώρησιν τὴν ἐξ Αἰγύπτου τὴν πάσχα λεγομένην JOE Antiquities of the Jews 4:82 a place which the Arabians esteem their metropolis, which was formerly called Arce, but has now the name of Petra, ὃ μητρόπολιν αὑτῶν Ἄραβες νενομίκασι πρότερον μὲν Ἄρκην λεγομένην Πέτραν δὲ νῦν ὀνομαζομένην JOE Antiquities of the Jews 6:22 to a certain city called Mizpeh εἴς τινα πόλιν λεγομένην Μασφάτην JOE Antiquities of the Jews 7:10 a place in our own language Mahanaim, but in the language of the Greeks, called Parembola (The Camps) τὴν ἐπιχώριον γλῶτταν Μάναλιν κατὰ δὲ τὴν Ἑλλήνων Παρεμβολὰς λεγομένην JOE Antiquities of the Jews 7:355 to the fountain called Gihon ἐπὶ πηγὴν τὴν λεγομένην Γειὼν JOE Antiquities of the Jews 8:305 to the cities that were under [Baasha's] dominion … not only Ijon as it is called, but also Dan, and Abelmaim and many others. τὰς ὑπ᾽ αὐτοῦ βασιλευομένας πόλεις τοὺς ἡγεμόνας … τήν τε Ἰωάνου λεγομένην καὶ Δάνα καὶ Ἀβελάνην καὶ ἄλλας πολλάς JOE Antiquities of the Jews 8:348 the city called Beersheba εἰς πόλιν Βερσουβεὲ λεγομένην JOE Antiquities of the Jews 9:271 that sacrifice which is called the passover θύσαντες τὴν λεγομένην φάσκα JOE Antiquities of the Jews 10:70 and that called the Passover καὶ τὴν πάσχα λεγομένην JOE Antiquities of the Jews 10:114 o his own country, which was called Anathoth εἰς τὴν πατρίδα παραγενέσθαι λεγομένην Ἀναθὼθ JOE Antiquities of the Jews 12:259 that day which by the Jews is called the Sabbath τὴν παρὰ τοῖς Ἰουδαίοις λεγομένην σαββάτων JOE Antiquities of the Jews 12:340 to Mashpa a city, so called, of the foreigners εἰς Μελλὰ πόλιν οὕτως λεγομένην τῶν ἀλλοφύλων JOE Antiquities of the Jews 12:359 by the so-called Megalopolitan [i.e., Polybius] τὴν ὑπὸ τοῦ Μεγαλοπολίτου λεγομένην JOE Antiquities of the Jews 12:397 at the village called Bethzetho κατὰ κώμην Βηρζηθὼ λεγομένην JOE Antiquities of the Jews 12:408 a certain village called Bethhoron τινα κώμην Βηθωρου λεγομένην JOE Antiquities of the Jews 13:394 that [city] which is called The Valley of Antiochus τὴν Ἀντιόχου λεγομένην φάραγγα JOE Antiquities of the Jews 14:131 the [Egyptian] Jews, who dwelt in [the country] called Onias οἱ Ἰουδαῖοι οἱ τὴν Ὀνίου [χώραν] λεγομένην κατοικοῦντες JOE Antiquities of the Jews 17:171 into the lake called Asphalt Springs. εἰς λίμνην τὴν ἀσφαλτοφόρον λεγομένην JOE Antiquities of the Jews 20:24 and bestowed on him the country called Carrae καὶ χώραν δίδωσιν Καρρῶν λεγομένην JOE Wars of the Jews 4:124 the taking of Gischala and their so-called 'orderly retreat,' τὴν ἅλωσιν τῶν Γισχάλων καὶ τὴν λεγομένην εὐσχημόνως ὑποχώρησιν JOE Wars of the Jews 7:180 a certain place named Baaras, which produces a root which is said to have the same name with itself; τὴν πόλιν Βαάρας ὀνομάζεταί τις τόπος φύει ῥίζαν ὁμωνύμως λεγομένην αὐτῷ JOE Life of Flavius Josephus 1:64 a certain village called Bethmaus εἰς κώμην τινὰ Βηθμαοῦς λεγομένην JOE Life of Flavius Josephus 1:403 a village called Cepharnome [i.e., Capernaum]. εἰς κώμην Κεφαρνωκὸν λεγομένην JOE Life of Flavius Josephus 1:420 a certain village called Thecoa εἰς κώμην τινὰ Θεκῶαν λεγομένην JOE Against Apion 1:174 as is also the lake called Asphaltis; καὶ τὴν Ἀσφαλτῖτιν λεγομένην λίμνην JOE Against Apion 2:21 to that country which is now called Judea εἰς τὴν χώραν τὴν νῦν Ἰουδαίαν λεγομένην JOE Against Apion 2:34 then (this man) is speaking not just of his native country [Egypt], but reproaches Alexandria itself τὴν οὐ πατρίδα μὲν λεγομένην δὲ αὐτοῦ λοιδορεῖ τὴν Ἀλεξάνδρειαν λεγόμενον .λέγω@vpppans Accusative Neuter Singular JOE Antiquities of the Jews 3:295 to a place called Hazeroth εἴς τι χωρίον Ἐσερμὼθ λεγόμενον JOE Antiquities of the Jews 8:95 a partition around the temple, which in our tongue we call Gison, but it is called a fence wall by the Greeks περιέβαλε δὲ τοῦ ναοῦ κύκλῳ γείσιον μὲν κατὰ τὴν ἐπιχώριον γλῶτταν τριγχὸν δὲ παρ᾽ Ἕλλησι λεγόμενον JOE Antiquities of the Jews 13:230 the defensive position that was above Jericho, which was called Dagon τῶν ὑπὲρ Ἱεριχοῦντος ἐρυμάτων ἀνεχώρησεν Δαγὼν λεγόμενον JOE Antiquities of the Jews 18:315 into a certain district called the Partition of the Rivers εἴς τι χωρίον διάρρηξιν μὲν ποταμῶν λεγόμενον JOE Wars of the Jews 7:256 and an excuse for their own avarice καὶ τῆς πλεονεξίας ὑπ᾽ αὐτῶν λεγόμενον λεγομένους .λέγω@vpppamp Accusative Masculine Plural JOE Antiquities of the Jews 1:123 Those whom the Greeks now call Galatians, who were then called Gomerites, Gomer founded. Magog founded those who from him were named Magogites, but who the [Greek] colonies designate Scythians. τοὺς γὰρ νῦν ὑφ᾽ Ἑλλήνων Γαλάτας καλουμένους Γομαρεῖς δὲ λεγομένους Γόμαρος ἔκτισε Μαγώγης δὲ τοὺς ἀπ᾽ αὐτοῦ Μαγώγας ὀνομασθέντας ᾤκισεν Σκύθας δὲ ὑπ᾽ αὐτῶν προσαγορευομένους JOE Antiquities of the Jews 1:126 So did Riphas found the Riphasians, [now] called Paphlagonians Ῥιφάθης δὲ Ῥιφαθαίους τοὺς Παφλαγόνας λεγομένους Θυγράμης JOE Antiquities of the Jews 6:71 those who were called Gileadites τοὺς Γαλαδηνοὺς λεγομένους JOE Antiquities of the Jews 11:203 He also sent angaroi , as they are called διέπεμψε δὲ τοὺς ἀγγάρους λεγομένους JOE Antiquities of the Jews 19:281 the Jews of Alexandria, called Alexandrians τοὺς ἐν Ἀλεξανδρείᾳ Ἰουδαίους Ἀλεξανδρεῖς λεγομένους λεγομένας .λέγω@vpppafp Accusative Feminine Plural Ant 1:337 the (place), till this day called Tents εἰς τὰς ἔτι νῦν Σκηνὰς λεγομένας Ant 3:222 sacrifices, called peace offerings θυσίας σωτηρίους λεγομένας λεγόμενα .λέγω@vpppanp Accusative Neuter Plural JOE Antiquities of the Jews 1:105 that what we have said τὰ περὶ ἐκείνων λεγόμενα JOE Antiquities of the Jews 5:235 what he was going to say to them τὰ ὑπ᾽ αὐτοῦ λεγόμενα JOE Antiquities of the Jews 10:90 what was said τὰ λεγόμενα JOE Antiquities of the Jews 16:378 what he said λεγόμενα JOE Wars of the Jews 3:352 give shrewd conjectures about the interpretation of such dreams as have been ambiguously delivered by God ἦν δὲ καὶ περὶ κρίσεις ὀνείρων ἱκανὸς συμβαλεῖν τὰ ἀμφιβόλως ὑπὸ τοῦ θείου λεγόμενα JOE Wars of the Jews 6:132 what the commanders suggested to them τῶν ἡγεμόνων λεγόμενα JOE Against Apion 1:67 Those historians also have ventured to describe such customs καὶ τὰ μήτε γενόμενα παρ᾽ αὐτοῖς ἔθη μήτε λεγόμενα γράφειν JOE Against Apion 1:229 the rumours and reports about the Jews τὰ μυθευόμενα καὶ λεγόμενα περὶ τῶν Ἰουδαίων Vocative Case: λεγόμενε .λέγω@vpppvms Vocative Masculine Singular None λεγομένη .λέγω@vpppvfs Vocative Feminine Singular None λεγόμενον .λέγω@vpppvns Vocative Neuter Singular None λεγόμενοι .λέγω@vpppvmp Vocative Masculine Plural None λεγομένα .λέγω@vpppvfp Vocative Feminine Plural None λεγόμενα .λέγω@vpppvnp Vocative Neuter Plural None Go ahead, nit pick ... and yes, I made a few changes to Whiston's translation. 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But the same question remains, why would the person who added Matthew 1:2 - 17 to the narrative (it was not there in Irenaeus's text of Matthew nor in Tatian's source material) identify Jesus as a man 'called Christ' rather than simply 'the Christ'? It is the only place in the New Testament where Jesus is 'called' Christ according to common opinion or 'men.' There is usually a more mystical understanding of why he is identified as the Christ. My guess is that Julius Africanus is responsible for the addition. The one who smelt it dealt it principle.
Also, if Jesus is God it is hard to believe that when he names people (= gives them their essential identity of being) that legomenos is used. Simon called Peter is odd if it is God doing the naming. To use you examples from Josephus: JOE Wars of the Jews 3:352 give shrewd conjectures about the interpretation of such dreams as have been ambiguously delivered by God ἦν δὲ καὶ περὶ κρίσεις ὀνείρων ἱκανὸς συμβαλεῖν τὰ ἀμφιβόλως ὑπὸ τοῦ θείου λεγόμενα Yes its God doing the laying or the announcing but it is ambiguous. Perhaps that explains the use in the gospel. I don't know. I am trying to think of what the Hebrew equivalent of legomenos is. |
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Maybe this explains the use of legomenos in Matthew. It is an Aramaism. "The expression 'ho legomenos Christos (which is intensified by hmknh) indicates that 'Messiah' is not regarded as his true name, and suggests Jewish rather than Christian usage." Maybe that explains all of the uses in the gospel(s)." http://books.google.com/books?id=F_m...omenos&f=false
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No. David: This was a brilliant, outstanding, accomplishment, far more than just a useful "bit" of work. This was an enormous travail, designed, for those who have not followed the weeks of wrangling by spin and LegionOnomaMai, to clarify, as to whether or not, Josephus was the author of the disputed phrase. It would have taken me six years to accomplish something like this. I don't wish to imply that the wrangling over Josephus' disputed text was unproductive, simply that the form it took, with a ratio of useful information to mere invective, lower than my IQ, represents arduous slogging to glean something educational, whereas, DCH, has turned that ratio on its head (once again!!) This particular "bit" of forum lore belongs in another section, as well as here on BCH: it also represents a wonderful addition to anyone's library, for those seeking to learn Greek. Terrific post, David, many thanks. Very much appreciated. Quote:
1. Would have been better to provide a link to Whiston's translation, so that we could compare his translation, with its defects, to yours. 2. What do you mean by "Middle Voice"? 3. I thought that maryhelena's question, and stephan huller's comment, were both excellent, and hope you will share your replies; 4. λεγόμενος would appear, from your excellent chart, to represent both Masculine and Neutral form, in the Nominative case, i.e. was this Christ deity described as Masculine, not Neutral? Is that logical? Why would a supernatural, omnipotent deity be presented in a merely masculine form? Does it follow, or is it a mere coincidence, that Hercules was also a male, in his human form, before ascending to Heaven, to reside for eternity with the Gods? 
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The answer, of course, is "With great difficulty!" I used Kalos 4.11 to create a chart of all forms of the participles of Lego. I copied and pasted the Middle Voice results into an Excel spreadsheet and broke up the data into several columns. Then I created a column for the Bibleworks code needed to search for these various participles in Josephus' Works, which is set up to display the Whiston English Translation and the Greek and a morphologically tagged Greek version. Then I copied the results for each search code (sans the Morphological version) into Word, cut & pasted to categorize them by case, then sex and number, copied that version to a new document, and cut away at the text until I had the right sized snippets. Took about a day and a half. DCH Quote:
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By the way, since any harmony of the Gospels is going to leave stuff out from this and that individual Gospel, how can we be certain Tatian did not have it in his Matthew? And what is the passage in Irenaeus on which you base the idea that his Matthew does not contain the phrase? As far as I can see, any of the many references to Jesus' genealogy and begetting by Joseph does not require that Irenaeus would have added the phrase even if it were there. Earl Doherty |
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