mountainman

On that basis of evidence we might claim that the author who wrote about Bilbo was a hobbit.

arnoldo

You mean the author who wrote about Bilbo was actually an elf pretending to be a hobbit?

Sheshbazzar

The question was not one of what religion 'Jesus' practiced_
but of what evidence you can present that conclusively proves that the writers of the Christian, Greek language 'Gospels' were ever themselves practitioners of the Jewish religion?

You repeat and preach the religious beliefs of Christianity_ Does that make you into a 'Jew', 'Jewish' or practitioner of the 'Jewish' religion?

I think not, your beliefs and teachings oppose much of what is known and accepted as being of the 'Jewish' religions thought and doctrine.
Those NT writers, in presenting the world their Christian doctrine were no more 'Jewish' than you are.
Your 'Gospel' stories are nothing more than the theological fabrications of anonymous Christian Gentile Greeks set to subvert the Jewish religion, and foist an utterly implausible fabricated and false 'Jewish' 'Christ' <sic> messiah upon an un-Jewishly educated world.

arnoldo

Yes.

arnoldo

Wrong, they are the fulfillment of OT prophecies.

Sheshbazzar

ויאמר יהוה אל־משה לאמר׃
ואתה דבר אל־בני ישראל לאמר אך את־שבתתי תשמרו כי אות הוא ביני וביניכם לדרתיכם לדעת כי אני יהוה מקדשכם׃
ושמרתם את־השבת כי קדש הוא לכם מחלליה מות יומת כי כל־העשה בה מלאכה ונכרתה הנפש ההוא מקרב עמיה׃
ששת ימים יעשה מלאכה וביום השביעי שבת שבתון קדש ליהוה כל־העשה מלאכה ביום השבת מות יומת׃
ושמרו בני־ישראל את־השבת לעשות את־השבת לדרתם ברית עולם׃
ביני ובין בני ישראל אות הוא לעלם כי־ששת ימים עשה יהוה את־השמים ואת־הארץ וביום השביעי שבת וינפש׃

זכור את־יום השבת לקדשו
ששת ימים תעבד ועשית כל־מלאכתך
ויום השביעי שבת ליהוה אלהיך לא־תעשה כל־מלאכה אתה ובנך־ובתך עבדך ואמתך ובהמתך וגרך אשר בשעריך


Thus reads The Law of The Jewish religion, you claim you are a Jew.
What say you concerning these words, must every Jew obey and do them or no?

Sheshbazzar

Then again The Law says;
דברו אל־בני ישראל לאמר זאת החיה אשר תאכלו מכל־הבהמה אשר על־הארץ׃
כל מפרסת פרסה ושסעת שסע פרסת מעלת גרה בבהמה אתה תאכלו׃
אך את־זה לא תאכלו ממעלי הגרה וממפריסי הפרסה את־הגמל כי־מעלה גרה הוא ופרסה איננו מפריס טמא הוא לכם׃
ואת־השפן כי־מעלה גרה הוא ופרסה לא יפריס טמא הוא לכם׃
ואת־הארנבת כי־מעלת גרה הוא ופרסה לא הפריסה טמאה הוא לכם׃
ואת־החזיר כי־מפריס פרסה הוא ושסע שסע פרסה והוא גרה לא־יגר טמא הוא לכם׃
מבשרם לא תאכלו ובנבלתם לא תגעו טמאים הם לכם׃

What say you O' 'Jew' concerning these words, are they yet binding upon the 'Jew'?
And is one professing to be a Christian permitted to eat only that which a Jew living "under The Law" may eat?

Sheshbazzar

And you profess you are a "Jew"? and have a good and working knowledge concerning all of these things?
One might wonder, how many years have you observed and kept the watches of ליל שמרים_ 'Layil She'moo'reem'?
Pray tell now, O' "Jew", upon what day, and upon on what date did you observe -TO DO IT- this year?
It has been long observed that ones sins will find them out.

arnoldo

The Jews and the Law

17Now you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the law and brag about your relationship to God; 18if you know his will and approve of what is superior because you are instructed by the law; 19if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, 20an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of infants, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth— 21you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal? 22You who say that people should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23You who brag about the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? 24As it is written: “God’s name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.”b

25Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised. 26If those who are not circumcised keep the law’s requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? 27The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have thec written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.

28A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise is not from men, but from God.

aa5874

So, anyone who writes a biography of an American must be from the USA.

How absurd.

And further in the Gospels there appears to be wholesale copying from some other source or one from the other. The ability to copy another's work, as far as I understand, is not restricted to Jews.