Chili

Heaven is not a place to be happy but just a place to be who you are. To see those suffering in hell is unavoidable since one must be a Galilean first, out of which heaven is attained. Notice that Galilee is on the way to Isreal, if that means anything to you.

Chili

Escaped?

If "called and chosen by God" how can you speak of an "awful fate?"

Why would God chose his own among those called to hand them a scorpion?

Aquinas just told us that he who 'laughs last laughs best' by looking at the real world where the suffering souls can be identified so the rest of the world may know where wisdom lies. I think he is 'bang-on' and let the theater of the absurd continue.

In Jn.1:13 it is made very clear that there are two kinds of rebirth: "those who were begotten not by blood, nor by carnal desire, nor by man's willing it, but by God.

Elsewhere it is called "from above" and "from below" but these two kinds of rebirth are identified once again in Rev. 13 where two similar, but different beasts are identified. The difference between these two will determine their destiny with regard to heaven or hell but show a similarity at the onset of this stage in life. We call this Purgatory, they called it Galilee and for those who cannot work out their own salvation it becomes their final destiny as the place of torment now called hell.

The primary difference is that the first beast came from the [celestial] sea while the second beast came from the [old] earth as a direct result of rebirth "from above" and "from below." Notice that they both were given a loud mouth to utter proud boasts and tell tall tales but that the first beast was only given this authority for 42 months to complete this stage in life because the great serpent had surrendered its authority (serpent defeated and held in check by Mary) until his world is transformed.

Contrary to this the second beast spoke like a dragon now amplified by the power of it's second horn as the 'saved sinner' hell bound to convert the world around him. I don't need to say anymore about this since our world is full of it to the point that even the airwaves are polluted by the stench of burning sulpher from the pit of hell (from Rev.14:10).

I do wish to point out that the ten diamond studded horns mean victory over sin. The seven heads is the fruition of faith along the path of Cardinal virtues and Capital sins, and that the dragon (the greater serpent) had surrendered its power and throne to this beast that bore the stigmata. The mortal wounds confirm that the old nature had died and therefore was beyond desire wherefore the senses were pierced.

Verse 10 identifies the rebirth method as different from an altar call or revival event. It is a follow-up of Jn.21:18 where as a young man we must be allowed to go about our own way and not be censored by bible passages so the concept sin, in due course, is able to carry us off against our own will.

"I tell you solemnly:
as a young man
you fastened your belt
and went about ads you pleased;
but when you get older
you will stretch out your hands,
and another will tie you fast
and carry you off against your will."

Tachakuma

Sorry Chili

But here you lost me. I would have thought that Heaven is a place to be happy, praising and worshipping God! Also since you are a Christian who will I be in Heaven? I sincerenly hope that I won't be anything similar to what I am now or there wouldn't be a point in going!

Galilean? What the? I missed something much to vague! Explain please even your next post don't help much! I understand the idea of purgatory as a way station?

Chili

Heaven is when you are who you are in the image of God and therefore God. No need to worship or to be happy since 'to be' is never part of I AM (that which I am).

No I am not a Christian but just a home spun critic.

Remember Jesus was said to be a Galilean? Out of Egypt to Israel with a "way station" in Galilee because Mary was from Nazareth (but really was the essence of the true Israelite come down to Nazareth of Galilee for the event).

I found your post very interesting and really do not wish to teach you anything except maybe that hell is just opposite to heaven. Not that you are wrong, per se, because both heaven and hell find their early stages in what we call purgatory and the Bible calls Galilee. From there heaven will be the destiny of a divine comedy while hell will be the destiny of a not-so-divine [Senecan] tragedy.