snapchamp

If christianity is all about forgiveness and love, why didnt god forgive adam and eve? Why didnt he say, you know what, i forgive you for disobeying me and eating an apple, i guess worse things will happen.

and for that matter, why doesnt the christian god forgive everybody when they die, even if they dont accept jesus as their saviour? an all loving being would surely place you in heaven over hell-everyone would agree that is more loving, right?

Odemus

What's so unloving about unleashing every conceivable horror on Adam's offspring for such a grievous offense?

leviathanken

Yeah and if we all have to suffer for adam/eves mistake then why dont we all get rewarded for good things humans do? If my mom was saved why doesnt it just pass down to me and my kids etc? I never ate the forbidden fruit yet I still am born into sin. So it would only just/fair to let the good things our ancestors did pass down too.

Toto

I think this will do better in GRD

WishboneDawn

The story of Adam and Eve predates christianity by, oh, a very long time. It reflects a different idea of the relationship between God and mankind.

David B

Well, does it? Lots of Christians seem to believe that had it not been for the alleged sin of Adam, it would make no sense for Jesus' to have allegedly been sacrificed in order to redeem mankind.

I share the view that it makes no sense had it not been for the original sin of Adam. But I also think the story of Adam makes no sense either.

David B

Stumpjumper

Even in Genesis, Adam is a common noun. And there is not just one "fall" there are many...

It's an allegorical myth and God does forgive Adam..

Meaning "mankind"

David B

Not a universal christian explanation!

God, according to the bible, made a pretty shite job of forgiving all those Adams at the time of the alleged flood.

And, according to many christians, god doesn't forgive those members of mankind who fail to believe in virgins giving birth, and people rising from the dead, so that seems to be pretty selective forgiveness - forgiving those who believe the apparently impossible.

Some Christians, of course, believe that the virgin bith and the resurrection are also allegorical.

You?

David B

Stumpjumper

No it's not. But I'm right and they're wrong

I believe Genesis 1-11 to be pure allegory, flood included... It seems to be written to be read as such as well with the figurative break after Genesis 11 and the instrumental election of Abraham... "Blessed to be a blessing"...

Those Christians that believe that God only forgives certain things should read the New Testament a little closer too:

1 John 2:2
And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Dark Virtue

What about those people that lived and died before Christ sacrificed himself on the Cross?