Patriarch Verlch

I've done business with quite a few Jews. For never having a Passover, or being enslaved in Egypt, they sure know what tribe they are from. You know the twelve tribes of Isreal?

Everyone of them I have talked to knows.

Just like every white American knows what country they came from in Europe.

There is history in your origins.

I would think the Jews wouldn't celebrate Passover because they would pretend they were enslaved.

Sauron

There is no historical evidence that this ever happened.

If you think otherwise, feel free to make fools of all of us and post the evidence here.

Only to those without an education in science. You're like the person who looks at a flashlight for the first time and assumes it must be magic. Lacking the understanding - and also lacking the tools to even begin to investigate the flashlight - you fall back on superstition.

Hint: the Creation/Evolution forum exists for a reason. Go discover what that reason is.

Thus proving that you don't understand even what "theory" means in science.

Sauron

Correction: every one of them is convinced that they know. In reality, few of them can prove anything, since after the last destruction of the Temple the bloodlines were not carefully recorded.

And in like fashion, many white Americans are merely repeating what they are told, without any way to verify it. That is not knowledge.

And Muslims practice the hajj and throw rocks at the devil on the plain of Arafat, because they believe that Muhammad did the same thing when Satan was trying to stop him from spreading Islam. Millions of Muslims make this trip every year; surely they wouldn't spend all that time and money on the trip if the story wasn't true.

Right?

Dr Rick

Along the same lines, you would think that the Muslims wouldn't revere Muhammad unless he really ascended to Heaven.

(I see my friend Sauron has beat me to it... )

Patriarch Verlch

Guys I don't think Plato or Aristotle existed now after talking to you. I don't believe they actually wrote what you say they did, I need extra textual sources centuries later that prove they existed, I don't think they were human either.

I need birth certificates and SSN numbers.


I will also need a video taped excerpt of Charles Darwin writing the origin of species, to ensure he didn't plagiarise. I am going to need signed affidavits in front of a grand jury from Charles Darwin's in laws to ensure he was who he said he was. I will also need fingerprints and a DNA sample, and a swab of saliva.

Yeah that sounds like fun, reading up on evolution from those you disagree with.

I've got a bible in front of me, perhaps I can COD it to you and you can get "informed."

You choose to interpret the data taht there was a flood, to conform to your naturalist views, overlooked by peer direction/science. Hint your thoughts are not actually your own.

Sauron

You keep repeating this. Are you not aware that your own source, Wikipedia, calls you a liar on it?

There really are scholars that deny any such Jesus person ever existed. There is even an entire movement around it; it's called the "Jesus Myth". Most scholars will not go so far as to say that no such man ever existed. But your claim that no such scholars exist is (a) flatly incorrect and (b) only shows that you are not up to date on the current status of New Testament scholarship.

Sauron

The evidence for Plato and Aristotle, when compared to the claims, is much better than it is for Christ, when compared to the claims. Let me introduce you to another principle of investigation: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Origin does not suffer from the problems that the gospels do, so plagiarization isn't a concern.

DNA and saliva don't prove authorship. IN your rush to create what you thought was a clever response, you jumped off the rails into irrelevancy.

Whether it is fun or not is quite irrelevant. The point is that you do not understand evolution and have made several mistakes in your comments. That's why your objections are baseless.

Don't bother; I have several myself. That's the difference between you and me: I know what the other side is actually saying, and can accurately repeat their positions. I just disagree with them. You, on the other hand, can't even accurately repeat what the other side (evolution, bible skepticism) is saying. Instead of researching it yourself, you settle for having some sunday school teacher or christian author filter the information inaccurately for you, so that you can be spoon fed whatever mistakes they are making.

No, the data simply fails to support any such flood. Even you understand that, which is why -- in spite of repeated requests -- you've failed to offer any evidence.

Hint: you're wrong.

Patriarch Verlch

Obviously those men had the establishment write and follow their every move. These men were not holy men like in the bible, so the secular world payed them loads of attention, while scantly mentioning the bible.

Well perhaps if Christ had the intellectual world baited at His every word and following Him instead of trying to kill Him at every turn, perhaps you would have more of what you need for your faith.

I am under the assumption that a face to face meeting with Christ would not change your mind, so what do you need details for? The life changing force of God can be within us all!!! I've felt it on more than one occasion.

Why do you mock that which you attempt to not understand?


On a side note.
What did the Knights of Templar find under King Solmon's temple? That caused them to stop looking and the wealthest man in the world to give everything to the order and serve it?

Sauron

I have no idea if this is right or not. I don't know if they were ignored, or followed. Your assumption about them being secular is incorrect; Darwin was a divinity student, and the Englishman who founded uniformitarianism was a minister. I'm beginning to wonder what relevance it has?

Christ was supposedly God. Overcoming something as trivial as people trying to kill him should have been quite easy; we ARE talking about the Almighty, aren't we?

1.The assumptions you make are your own. I am not responsible for them.

2. I need details for the claims you have made here. No more stalling: do you have the details, or don't you?

I have Muslim and Hindu friends who have said the same thing to me.

Why do you assume that someone mocking you hasn't tried to understand your beliefs several times already?

1. Who cares?
2. Are you trying to write some kind of Da Vinci code sequel or something? Because this really isn't the place to try out your new screenplay.

nelsondogg

Have you heard of John Frum?

From here

They know he was a real person...

Are these coincidences?