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For those that want a verse that talks about it...

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Stumpjumper

It doesn't say apple :Cheeky:

Don Joe

Hooboy !!:

OK, so Adam, not having knowledge of Good and Evil, was perfect. Then since "God" had and still has such knowledge, he has always been imperfect? Or am I misreading you?...

achristianbeliever

So what? Why does God have to level sins? Why is God not allowed to say each sin deserves the same punishment in our afterlife? Why do you get to decide what God considers more or less sinful?

And if I say no I wouldn't then are you saying it is relevant?

Do you even read posts? I already spoke of this. I'm saying if the advantages outweigh the disadvantages (ex. jail, retribution, conscience) why shouldn't I kill? Your quote here does nothing to answer that question.
And we are mainly talking about the afterlife. So if I believe in Heaven and I believe I'm going there no matter what I do why shouldn't I kill. So what if I go to jail that's just 30-40 years which is small considering the eternity I spend in Heaven. All you've done is explain what might happen here on earth but you've done nothing to explain why I shouldn't kill if all I care about is what happens to me in the afterlife and if I believe God will forgive me about anything, why shouldn't I kill?

I'm not talking about whether Christians or atheists actually kill (Its kind of why I made the point of saying, "I'm not saying all atheists will do evil"). I'm talking about motivation and if a person's sole objective is the afterlife then why shouldn't they do evil?

I still find that disgusting. I want God to create both good and evil people. Why? Doesn't matter. I can have the stupidest reason but it is still mine.

See that's the problem with this question. I'm glad God creates evil people. Your not. So how are we suppose to proceed? Besides what constitutes evil person may be different for you then for me.

In terms of what happens to us in the afterlife? Yes. (Not necessarily here on earth). Why am I not allowed to compare eating an apple to rape when it comes to our souls?

So? That's your problem not mine.

Hooboy !!

There is a difference between being "perfect" and being able to discern the difference between right and wrong. The scripture actually says "be like God", so apparently, the ability to be able to distiguish between right and wrong is a a god-like quality.

For example: A "perfect" pearl will never have the attributes of a diamond.

Make sense?

Stumpjumper

You certainly have an interesting evangelistic technique

So, you are glad God creates evil people and you don't care if Christians murder others because the afterlife is all that matters? Huh.

And you want others to believe in this particular version of God?

Mmmkay...

seebs

Here's where we run into a common misapprehension. "Eternal" does not mean quite the same thing as "forever". Eternal goes both ways.

purple_kathryn

If your god is *that* petty perhaps it should be your problem? How would anyone get into heaven if none of your sins are forgivable?

Stumpjumper

I think that is a valid point. Also, it is not up to an individual Christian to determine who is and who is not saved.

As a Christian, I see no reason why I should not hold out hope that all may be saved. At the very least it is something that we are called to pray for:

1 Timothy 2
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Quetzalcoatl

You seem to be reading a different bible from me. In the one I have he threw him out of the garden and cursed the ground. He also gave his wife menstrual pains and the like. Can you point me to the section where he forgives Adam?