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Old 11-16-2003, 10:30 PM   #71
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This god sounds petty, and rather like a spoiled child.
Jesus was a spolied child as any jew that believes that he is a false prophet.
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Old 11-17-2003, 03:23 AM   #72
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Discussion of questions that Magus may or may not refuse to answer are off topic for this thread. You have no way of knowing what Magus may or may not pray for, so speculation on this is, imo, inappropriate.

Strawmen and incivility do not help your case.
Magus is actually sticking around in this thread, wade. Incivility is working better than anything we've tried so far.
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Old 11-17-2003, 05:16 AM   #73
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Maybe because Thomas was open to believing, and you wouldn't be. As I said before, people saw Jesus raise the dead and still thought He was a fraud. I doubt you would be any different, in which case, why would God bother?
Yes but many would begin to worship Jesus if he would just grant this small (for him) request. Even though some people may not worship him, we would still have world peace. So come on Magus, you stand to gain millions of converts to christianity, plus total world peace. Surley that's worth typing out eight words? Look, I'll type them for you, all you have to do is copy and paste them in to your next post.

In Jesus' name I ask for world peace.

Come on Magus, surely it is worth it?

........ Faith is important because it means you trust God, without knowing for sure.

The whole world is relying on your faith, Magus.
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Old 11-17-2003, 05:26 AM   #74
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The second reason being, you have to believe fully that God can and will provide it.
How can you make a statement like that and then follow it immediately in the very next paraagraph with this?

No where does Jesus say you will receive it immediately. God answers prayers on His time not ours.

Don't you understand that (in your own words) "No where does Jesus say you have to believe fully that God can and will provide it."

By your own definitions one of these two statements made by you nullifies the veracity of the other. So which one is correct?
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I also find it odd that Magus is veering away from sola scriptura here... he's been basically putting words in Jesus's mouth for this entire thread.

The Bible doesn't say that, Magus. You're behaving like a Catholic.
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Yes but many would begin to worship Jesus if he would just grant this small (for him) request. Even though some people may not worship him, we would still have world peace. So come on Magus, you stand to gain millions of converts to christianity, plus total world peace. Surley that's worth typing out eight words? Look, I'll type them for you, all you have to do is copy and paste them in to your next post.

In Jesus' name I ask for world peace.

Come on Magus, surely it is worth it?

........ Faith is important because it means you trust God, without knowing for sure.

The whole world is relying on your faith, Magus.
And world peace is a request that will be granted in the future. Its called the millenium kingdom. A 1000 years of humanity in perfect harmony and peace, with Jesus as King.
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How can you make a statement like that and then follow it immediately in the very next paraagraph with this?

No where does Jesus say you will receive it immediately. God answers prayers on His time not ours.

Don't you understand that (in your own words) "No where does Jesus say you have to believe fully that God can and will provide it."

By your own definitions one of these two statements made by you nullifies the veracity of the other. So which one is correct?
Huh, what are you talking about? You have to believe that God can and will provide it. That doesn't mean, that God will provide it immediately. There is no contradiction here.
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Huh, what are you talking about? You have to believe that God can and will provide it. That doesn't mean, that God will provide it immediately. There is no contradiction here.
Would you buy a house on those terms? Or a car? Or anything?

There is an old saying, "Justice delayed is not justice." Apparently you disagree.

Consider the following word problem:

Problem: A man rapes, beats, and robs an young orphan of her inheritance. For the next sixty years he lives like a king off of her money, even doubling it, while she lives in the streets in poverty, constantly on the edge of starvation. On the robber's deathbed, just moments before he expires from a long life of luxury and ease, a policeman rushes in with proof of the crime. The robber's wealth is turned over to the now 75 year old orphan, who also happens to be dying in a hospital (having finally succumbed to the harshness of her environment), and the policeman shoots the robber in the head just seconds before he dies of old age. The orphan is informed of her wealth whole minutes before she expires, and even gets to enjoy her wealth somewhat as the hospital now agrees to give her some pain medication since she can pay for it. So her last two minutes are pain-free.

A curious bystander asks the policeman how he solved this horrible crime, particularly since it was 60 years old. The policeman says: "Oh, I knew about it all along, from the first minute it happened. But I was busy betting on football games, and just didn't get around to rectifying the situtation until now. Because, you see, as long as I dealt justice while they were both still alive, it didn't matter how long I delayed it."

Question: is the policeman's name:

A) Magus55

B) God

C) Satan
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It has to be

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Please focus on the topic and not the person.

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