KrishnadasaAnudasa

why place an living creature to suffer as a baby? then die? if the answer is that ' oh but he will go to heaven so don't even question' :banghead: Why can't God have that born soul take birth in Heaven.


Why should a soul that lived 67.5 year suffer :devil1: eternalllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly for :devil3: :devil2: :devil1: those actions of 67.5 years.

I would forgive a person no matter how horrible his crimes where, say after 50000 years. Would not God be of such greater character than me! Would he not only allow, as a perfect manager, perfect LOrd, Father , would he not allow one to suffer ONLY per action performed=. Karma. No one yet in the western thiestic (born soul paradigm) traditions have been to tackle this issue. (Innocent suffering) Please give some answers or consider other philosphies who can deal with this question.

Toto

I agree with your sentiment, but I think this would fit better in General Religions Discussions. ~Toto

KrishnadasaAnudasa

thanks

Sheshbazzar

Why allow anyone or anything to be born or to exist at all ?
My! How utterly inconsiderate of Him!

Sheshbazzar

Krish, hang around here for a while and you will read how "Christianity" has deviously fabricated their ideas and teachings of eternal suffering out of 'whole cloth', and how it was not, and is not, actually taught in the Scriptures.

seven8s

There are 4 different types of karma that you are always working on:

Sanchita Karma: the accumulated result of all your actions from all your past lifetimes. This is your total cosmic debt. Every moment of every day either you are adding to it or you are reducing this cosmic debt.

Prarabdha Karma: the portion of your "sanchita" karma being worked on in the present life. If you work down your agreed upon debt in this lifetime, then more past debts surface to be worked on.

Agami Karma: the portion of actions in the present life that add to your "sanchita" karma. If you fail to work off your debt, then more debts are added to "sanchita" karma and are sent to future lives.

Kriyamana Karma: daily, instant karma created in this life that is worked off immediately. These are debts that are created and worked off - ie. you do wrong, you get caught and you spend time in jail

"Resistance is Futile": As Soul, you experience a constant cycle of births and deaths into a series of bodies until you have learned all the spiritual lessons that the totality of all experiences have to teach you. Until you have learned, you will find that "resistance" to the rules of karma is "futile".


Oh yeah, that ought to save the world. So much for the, Christianity is devious........... I see no difference between Christianity's concept of eternal damnation then karma's.

And I love the little "resistance is futile" part. Guarantees a continuous future of fearful little converts, and fabuously large purses for the "perfect little managers" of our soul.

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KrishnadasaAnudasa

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Oh yeah, that ought to save the world. So much for the, Christianity is devious........... I see no difference between Christianity's concept of eternal damnation then karma's. ]

you cannot equate enless suffering with karma or suffering per bad action performed

seven8s

Sure I can, I have a brain and am allowed to use it. Simple deduction concerning the concept of karma shows it to be a belief system of endless suffering, endless failure. I notice that you didn’t dispute my specific definitions of karma. An unpardonable beginning and an unphantomable future are the key words in equating karma and eternal damnation. Again, I see no difference.

Babies are born owing a debt to society, from a past life of all things, and they haven’t breathed their first breath, how helpful. Rather then solve what he perceives to be evil in his own life an ignorant man sits under a tree and presents evil. I wonder what would have happened had he said, “Babies, man, woman, are wonderful, innocent, pure, worthy to be cherished, rather then project his own sense of self worthlessness, self failure, self hate, self deceit upon innocence, others?

Each system (karma, eternal damnation) builds within itself a system that preys upon the vulnerability, fears, and ignorance of another. Yep, that ought to save the world.

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Paraprakrti

First of all, eternal is beginningless as well as endless. The modern Christian concept is perpetual, not eternal. Hellish life begins at a certain point and supposedly perpetuates. It is difficult to think of a benevolent God who condemns us to perpetual hell based on a ridiculously insignificant amount of time.

If we are prone to nonexistence then our current, supposed existence holds no value. In that case, why did God create non-enduring things? Why did an eternal being create things that are non-eternal? God does not take pleasure in temporal things. Within Himself is all the eternal pleasure potency.

So obviously, God does not create temporal things for Himself. The answer is that He creates them for His part and parcel souls. The souls are eternally related and dependent on God. We have God's qualities to a very minute quantity. For example, God is fully independent. We, on the other hand, have a very small amount of independence. Somehow or other we have fallen into thinking that we can be fully independent as well. So God creates the material universe for us to play out our false ego until we are ready to return to His pure association.

Dark Knight Bob

Because God wants you to have a rotten life.