Clivedurdle

Is there anywhere a proper examination of the history of the use of the fish symbol, without assuming it is some kind of code?

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...=1137605908173

Something archaeologically based looking at this for example

http://www.atheists.org/christianity/fish.html

fanucon

i just finished a history of christianty Audio book by Luke Johnson, a former Monk and works at Emery University.

he claims that its an acronym which states Jesus Christ, Son of God and is based off of Ichthys

squiz

Yes they all say that. I would also be interested in seeing some primary sources for that claim.

fanucon

Now ive read your links.

you know most religions had bases on other languages?

you know Abraham worshiped other Gods when he was in different lands, because he thought his God lost power the farther he went away from him.

this isn't some new discovery basically all religions hold the same skeleton and many similar morality stances.

fanucon

ok
really it means that we are the love child of aquatic monkeys and dolphins.

fanucon

and since both ate fish
the Christians drew fish on everything because its a close delicious relative

Toto

There are some Hellenistic Jewish temples that incorporate the Pisces symbol - two fish chasing each other's tails. The Christian symbol was supposed to be a single fish.

According to Christians, the symbol was used at a time when Christianity was secretive and underground, so it is unlikely that its history can be traced with any degree of certainty.

Clivedurdle

We have two competing views - ichthys and something with mythical roots.

Are there other possibilities? Why would the symbol of the fish been important to xians?

We are talking about real archaeological evidence here in the correct time frame. What has this to do with someone being crucified by Pilate? When did someone invent the ichthys story?

What is this phrase the god Jesus Christ? Not a very xian formulation!

Clivedurdle

The Jerusalem post notes drawings of fish - not one - I would argue this is not a xian site, nor is it a heresy, but possibly evidence of an evolutionary stage!

Clivedurdle

But if the whole thing is made up - fish is ichthys it is a secret code because they were persecuted - maybe there is loads of evidence but no one has looked because they have been persuaded there isn't any! Brilliant propaganda technique!