arnoldo

That's why it is a prophecy, ie, something that will occur in the future.
God frequently uses men and nations for his own purposes. Take a look at the old testment and Moses dealing with Pharoah, Daniel & Cyrus, etc,etc.

Johnny Skeptic

That is false. There is not one single Bible prophecy that indicates that the current occupation of Palestine will be any different from all of the other cases where the Jews were kicked out of Palestine.

No it wasn't. Following your same line or reasoning, if the Jews occupied one square mile of land, that would be a fulfilled prophecy. Genesis 17:8 leaves no doubt whatsoever that Israel was not reborn since in order to have an Israel to start with it had to occupy all of the land of Canaan. You yourself said that Jews have never occupied all of the land of Canaan. No matter how many posts that you make, you will not be able to refute the claim in Genesis 17:8 that any nation of Israel MUST include ALL of Canaan.

No, there is not anything miraculous about a self-fulfilled prophecy that could not have happened with the military and finanical help of the U.S., which is the greatest military and financial power in human history. No Bible, no partition of Palestine. It is as simple as that. Anyone who has just a modest amount of common sense knows that the partition of Palestine is a self-fulfilled prophecy. All that is takes to self-fulfill a prophecy is desire, and military power. There was nothing at all miraculous about the formation of the Roman Empire. All that it took was desire, intelligence, natural resources, and geographical advantages, the very same factors that built the U.S. and enabled it to cause Palestine to be partitioned.

arnoldo

A bible prophecy which we are starting to get a glimpse of is the following:
Only someone who never reads the newspaper headlines or CNN will dispute that Jerusalem is not going to play a more important role in any so called "peace plan" in the middle east.

arnoldo

Wrong, there are many, prophecies that indicate this.

Johnny Skeptic

But it was wrong for God to punish innocent animals. There was no need for God to do that. Of course, God caused dinosaurs to kill each other long before he created Adam and Eve. The vast majority of experts know that dinosaurs existed long before humans existed, and died out before humans existed.

Johnny Skeptic

That is false. There are not any at all.

arnoldo

I guess you think it was wrong for God himself to kill the first sacrificial lamb which was used to cloth Adam and Eve too. Of course this was a picture of Yeshua sacrificing himself to redeem mankingThe experts don't know anything but they have some interesting theories.

arnoldo

The city (Jerusalem) will never again be uprooted or demolished ~Jer.31:40

spin

Sometimes it's in the future and sometimes it's fulfilled. It's good to flip between the two about the same prophecy, isn't it?

Terrorists, assassins, Nazi collaborators, ethnic cleansers, mass murderers. But I guess the ends justify the means.


spin

Johnny Skeptic

But you previously said that the partition of Palestine fulfilled Genesis 17:8, and now you are saying the Genesis 17:8 has not been fulfilled. Which is it?

But if the God of the Bible does not exist, we would expect to find what you just said. Why would God frequently mimic the way that things would be if he did not exist, thereby needlessly causing doubt and confusion?

If the God of the Bible does not exist, there would be suspicious an unexplainable statistics regarding why people believe what they believe. Kosmin and Lachman wrote a book that is titled 'One Nation Under God.' Billy Graham endorses the book on the cover or on one of the inside pages. The book is well-documented. The authors show that the primary factors that influence religious beliefs in the U.S. are geography, family, race, ethnicity, gender, and age. The evidence shows that in the U.S., the percentage of women who are Christians is a good deal higher than the percentage of men who are Christians. I forget what the exact percentage is, but I can find it if I need to. As far as I recall, the percentage difference is over 7%. It is important to note that every year, the percentage of women who are Christians is a good deal higher than the percentage of men who are Christians. That is quite suspicious.

The authors show that elderly skeptics are much less likely to change their worldview than younger skeptics are, and that elderly Christians are much less likely to become skeptics than younger Christians are. If God exists, this means that he discriminates against elderly skeptics and younger Christians. If God does not exists, then that explains why elderly people are much less likely to change their worldviews than younger people are. Again, if the God of the Bible exists, it is quite odd that he mimics that way that things would be if he did not exist.

If the God of the Bible does not exist, that explains why the Gospel message was distributed entirely by humans. If God does exist, he is more concerned with HOW people hear about the Gospel message than he is with THAT they hear the Gospel message, and with mimicking the way that the Gospel message would be spread if he does not exist. No loving, rational God would ever act like that.

We have a similar case regarding the distribution of food. James says that if a man refuses to give food to a hungry person that his faith is dead, but God has refused to give food to millions of people who died of starvation. If God does not exist, that explains why all distribution of food is done by humans. If God does exist, then he is more concerned with HOW people get enough food to eat than he is with THAT people get enough food to eat, and with mimicking the way that food would be distributed if he does not exist. No loving, rational God would ever act like that.

Obviously, your convenient "God frequently uses men and nations for his own purposes" argument is fraudulent, and is exactly what would be the case if the God of the Bible does not exist.