John A. Broussard

As more and more Christians seem to regard god as being genderless, why couldn't god have sent his only begotten daughter, with or without his only begotten son, to save mankind? Why the favoritism?

Chris Weimer

Because in order to keep the Holy Trinity from Egypt, they needed a son (Horus) to make it complete.

judge

In the Aramaic version of the NT this is not apparent. The Holy spirit is in the feminie gender.
And more curiously in John chapt 1 the "word" of God seems to have male and female qualities. The genders are mixed up between the verbs and nouns.

Zeichman

I'd say it was rather that Jesus was later adopted by Christians as part of the Triune God, rather than the other way around. Not to mention the fact that late Judaism was pretty male-dominated.

Chris Weimer

But Zeichman, the Trinity existed before the Triune God, God the Father, Jesus the Son, Mary the Mother (possibly the Holy Spirit later took the place of Mary). Yes, this was a development after the initial onset of what appears to be Jesus the Preacher talking about God the Father, but remember, Jesus only became divine after the vote. The earliest Christians were still split on whether or not Jesus was divine, and I doubt the earliest held that to be so.

Zeichman

Do you have any evidence for Mary being regarded as divine originally, or is based on the trinity in Egyptian mythology?

Though I am a Trinitarian Christian, I certainly don't think the proto-orthodox Pauline Christians were trinitarian. If nothing else, I think he, along with many of his later supporters, were binitarian: The Father and Son were equal and co-eternal. The Holy Spirit seems to largely be an afterthought, given its usage in the Hebrew Bible does not put forth the idea that it is a separate person of God. (51st Psalm, for example)

Even the use of the Trinitarian formula in Matthew doesn't imply that the author thought of them as all equal.

Chili

Because you can't have female preachers. The woman never 'changes' but only 'like god' becomes 'God' when the trinity collapses throught the incorporation of the woman (Coronation).

Oh, and "to save mankind" is wishful thinking.

Chris Weimer

Well, by trinitarian I'm referring to the royal family. I never said that Mary was divine, in fact you should have caught the opposite when I said that Jesus wasn't originally divine (contrary to mythicism). And I'm sure the trinitarian ideal wasn't in the original (whatever that means) religion. Now later, the trinity became only divine, i.e. Father Son and Holy Spirit. Late Christianity elevated the HS and JC to divine positions. But the reverance for Mary, evidenced by Luke's gospel does seem to come from the common archetype of the royal family, probably from Egypt (though I still see it as merely an archetype).

Clivedurdle

Message (paraphrase) Genesis "Reflecting God's Nature He Created them male and female"

Jung argued that when the Catholic Church made Mary Mother of God (in the 1830's?) the Trinity then became a Quaternity. Was that an infallible proclamation?

Chili

Male and female to say that the mind of man was divided between the Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge with the TOK being the conscious mind and the TOL the subconscious mind, or soul, or the womb of man where wisdom and beauty are retained for generations. It is out of this 'womb' (storehouse) that man must be re-born in the image of his 'native land' . . . which itself is Mary, Miriam or Mari (Mary is water and man is dry land).

Since there is a relationship between these two minds the HS was introduced as messenger between these two minds who is under the guidance of Mary for that very reason = Mary our Mediatrix of all graces.

Jung was just wrong but Bobby Jones style warrior drilled minds would never know the difference.

When these two minds become one in the Hypostatic Union the dove will descent, as it must, because it is redundant after that (unless it just left some droppings on the Bobby Jones style believer).