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Acts 10 45 All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered, Acts 19 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying. How do you know that the author is speaking here of something different than in Acts 2? I just don't see it. I would suspect that in both cases they heard these people speak Hebrew (ie their own mother tongues) and that is how they knew that they were speaking in tongues. To prove your point you need to find a case where it is stated that nobody understood. In that case the writer would be contradicting himself. Quote:
If you can find anything let me know. What Paul says is very much what people do today. Paul is rather realistic about this. He knew what we all know that people who speak in tongues just mumble. Acts on the other hand is pure fantasy. If you are going to make such a claim, might as well make a good story and that is what Acts does. You are in fact saying that the disciples actually received something no one else did. Paul denies this. He sees himself no different than any apostle of Jesus including Peter. |
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I read somewhere--I think in Bruce Bawer's Stealing Jesus--that the first modern instance of Christian glossolalia occurred in 1901. I've been told that some Pentecostals speak in tongues routinely; my department head, according to her niece, sometimes speaks in tongues while cooking. And I have seen evangelists on television speak in tongues very casually. I tend to think it's gibberish.
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I think it has to do with the ripple effect miracles tend to follow. Its more difficult to fraudulently re-produce the miracle of being able to become literate through the will of God. Add to that the art of pious misreadings (without which Christianity itself wouldn't exist) and voila.
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If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing Contrast that with the words of Jesus in Matthew 17:20 He replied, "Because you have so little faith. I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you." Jesus praises what Paul disparages. Paul implies that you must have great faith to move mountains, while Jesus says even a small faith can move mountains. One of them is not on message. Paul clearly does not think much of the teaching of Jesus. |
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Though it seems crazy to think that the Babel myth could be seen as factual, many do. I remember listening to a lecture where it was demonstrated that the tower was even built with water proof materials in case God would break his promise and send another flood! |
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